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Wobble and ride

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Created by jh2703 > 9 months ago, 30 Aug 2016
jh2703
NSW, 1222 posts
30 Aug 2016 9:46PM
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PhilSWR
NSW, 1104 posts
30 Aug 2016 11:27PM
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Another fine clip Jason. Any details on wind strength, board and sail size? Thanks.

LeeD
3939 posts
31 Aug 2016 5:46AM
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Looks like 10-13 knots, board 20 liters floatier than rider weight.
If he bothered to pump, loosen outhaul and downhaul, he would plane heading out, like he does in the end. Pumping is worth at least 3 mph of wind, and sail tuning another 2 mph.
Nice rides in closeout shorepound, good stuff.

jh2703
NSW, 1222 posts
31 Aug 2016 7:59AM
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PhilSWR said...
Another fine clip Jason. Any details on wind strength, board and sail size? Thanks.


The wind would have lucky to peak at 15knots in the gusts, Sail was a 5.3 and board 89.

Jens
WA, 340 posts
31 Aug 2016 8:40AM
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Nice clean offshores Jason. How did you film the footage? With a drone, presumably?

Cheers, Jens

jh2703
NSW, 1222 posts
31 Aug 2016 3:23PM
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Jens said...
Nice clean offshores Jason. How did you film the footage? With a drone, presumably?

Cheers, Jens


I used a phantom 3

J

Doogs500
NSW, 19 posts
31 Aug 2016 3:48PM
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Great rigging advice LeeD!
So once he does finaly pick up a wave the sail feels like s**t....

geared4knots
TAS, 2645 posts
31 Aug 2016 7:47PM
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Does not look like much downhaul to me and there is draft in the sail.?
We are not talking 1980,s RAF wave sails here.
Good work, getting out there.



eyeMhardcore
WA, 81 posts
31 Aug 2016 6:09PM
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LeeD said...
Looks like 10-13 knots, board 20 liters floatier than rider weight.
If he bothered to pump, loosen outhaul and downhaul, he would plane heading out, like he does in the end. Pumping is worth at least 3 mph of wind, and sail tuning another 2 mph.
Nice rides in closeout shorepound, good stuff.


+1

I was struggling to catch waves like this one day last year. I went in an loosened my down haul and out haul. That was the day I finally nailed my double forwards.

LeeD
3939 posts
1 Sep 2016 5:23AM
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You forget, going DTL doesn't create the power that going backside creates, when you get on a wave face. DTL, you're running FROM the wind, so more power can be tolerated and you actually want lots of power to cutback off the top, or the bottom turn speed exceeds the windspeed.
If the sailor is riding backside, then a more correctly tuned sail is needed.
I reiterate....cool vid, good sailor, nice waves even if they closeout, and really nice beach.

tomp
NSW, 687 posts
1 Sep 2016 9:42AM
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early post Jason for a NE. Is that you sailing...some nice cutbacks either way.

snoopySA
SA, 47 posts
1 Sep 2016 11:52AM
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Nice video Jason. Looks like the sailor knows what he is doing but thanks for the education Lee.

LeeD
3939 posts
1 Sep 2016 10:57AM
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Do you even bother to read people's posts, or are you totally blind.
I said.." good sailor" .....

Boris
261 posts
1 Sep 2016 11:20AM
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Tough crowd LeeD hey.
Actually your user name is identical to another "LeeD" that was on the Starboard forums quite a few years ago now. That LeeD was telling Ty Bodycoat (the PWA rookie of the year at the time) that he (as in Ty) had no idea how to sail waves properly at Margies, even though Ty frequently ripped the place to pieces while that LeeD admitted never even visiting WA. All to a backdrop of sailing/surfing stories of that LeeD shredding famous North Shore breaks with a who's who of Hawaiian watermen.

Guessing you're not that LeeD though.

LeeD
3939 posts
2 Sep 2016 12:02AM
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THAT LeeD also claimed that the Hypersonic was a POS junk board that would not be on the market for longer than 3 years, and that nobody else was going to use the same concept. That LeeD claimed that you shouldn't jump a Hypersonic because the landings will hurt the board and rider. Gee, is that possible? THAT LeeD claimed that a rider should not jump his slalom board, and promoting it in ads is irresponsible, because slalom boards are not built to resist the landings, being made to be light and stiff for fast sailing. Other than sponsored pros, or dumb kids, nobody jumps their slalom boards.......for the reason I claimed.
THAT LeeD also claimed it's possible to use a 5.7 sized sail on a Formula board. Gee, they use 4.7 sails on Formula boards now with a foil, and a few sailors around here, who are big guys, use 6.5 sails on Formula boards.
THAT LeeD claimed the Evo was built to be a small or mushy wave board only, based on the outline and widepoint. Well, they kept that widepoint back outline thru 2010, then CHANGED it to a widepoint slightly forward outline, for a longer engaging rail, since then. I wonder why? Maybe not everyone sails in the head high mushy slow waves of Margaret River.

LeeD
3939 posts
2 Sep 2016 12:12AM
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I will admit, I don't care WHO I"m addressing, the evidence is in the video.
I have personally engaged Scott McKerscher at AWIA tradeshows, and we've had the discussion of the Evo concept for general wave sailing. Notice when Scott answered my posts, unlike idiot Ian Fox, he was much mellower and only said...." try it".....you might like it.
Scott knows I can wavesail, knows me personally, and knows plenty of wave sailors that I sail with. He wouldn't be rude like other's of Starboard.
Now if you get on your knees and pray to the deity of Starboard, then you have a point. Nobody can question their god like knowledge and concepts, they are forever perfect, and anyone doubters must be eliminated.
That's why there are SOOOOO many copies of Hypersonics being sailed around the world today, and winning races. Even Jesper mellowed out on the HyperSonic, admitting it's almost not possible to win any slalom race against slalom boards, using that board.
Don't be a blind follower, a worshipper of the player's in the industry. Instead, TRY their concepts, learn for yourself, and question things you know are wrong.

peto
NSW, 405 posts
2 Sep 2016 8:36AM
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LeeD, your keyboard probably needs replacing after that assault upon it.

Good to see someone got out in an early NE.

LeeD
3939 posts
2 Sep 2016 7:55AM
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Yeah, it's tough reading for you, I know, sorry.
I will say, I have the utmost respect for Scott, Jesper, and a ALL the team rider's. Just one dummy in the group, and he was wrong every single time we butted heads.

Boris
261 posts
2 Sep 2016 8:19AM
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I usually just skim read as I am time-poor and in demand.
So in summary...you recommend Hypersonic's are not to be used as wave boards and you invented the Evo?

Actually I've never ridden any Starboards so will have to take your word for it.

LeeD
3939 posts
2 Sep 2016 8:34AM
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Brilliant comprehension skills, no wonder you are in demand 24/7.
I"m surprised you're not being paid top dollars for your command of the English lanquage, reading between the lines, and just general overall windsurfing prowess.

Boris
261 posts
2 Sep 2016 9:47AM
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I can also start a fire by rubbing 2 ice cubes together, and win Rock Paper Scissors in front of the mirror.

mclovin
SA, 724 posts
2 Sep 2016 12:30PM
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WOW. If you are as good at windsurfing as you think you are then you would be a household name. Instead you are just running your mouth off and spelling your alleged mate's names wrong. Hell even I have a photo of Jaeger and Dieter sitting on my board on the beach, does this qualify me to school Ben in sail design?

dan berry
WA, 2562 posts
2 Sep 2016 5:39PM
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And to think Brett just wanted to go for a ****n sail.

jh2703
NSW, 1222 posts
2 Sep 2016 8:25PM
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dan berry said...
And to think Brett just wanted to go for a ****n sail.


Yep...Wrecked it for him.

It was a tough day, Super light winds and a dumpy shore break...But as usual Brett makes it work.

...His sail was rigged correctly by they way

siny
NSW, 286 posts
4 Sep 2016 8:10PM
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He is clearly a learner , and needs some rigging tips . Please send all your tips to him private message .

Yuppy
VIC, 663 posts
4 Sep 2016 9:44PM
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So is that gerroa?

Looks beautiful. Nice vid

RichardG
WA, 3743 posts
4 Sep 2016 8:40PM
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I liked the video, some masterful tacks on the shortboard, good acting and sailing.

I would also add good waveriding, nice photography too. A great windsurfing production overall.

Well done to all involved and thanks for posting.

Please post more as they are appreciated.


RichardG
WA, 3743 posts
4 Sep 2016 8:45PM
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Sorry Light wind snap gybe, not tack. Excellent.

gooey
NSW, 89 posts
24 Sep 2016 1:56PM
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Was 8-15 knots. Board 5 liters floatier than weight. If I'd bothered to pump, loosen outhaul, I wouldn't have planed heading out. In the end I'm planning because I am coming in on a wave. Pumping is worth at least three waves of wasted energy and sail tuning another two waves missed .



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