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Axis Power Carbon Mast

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Created by cct305 1 month ago, 16 Jun 2022
cct305
13 posts
16 Jun 2022 10:16PM
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Looks like Axis came out with a new carbon mast. Any insights/feedback from anyone on the power carbon and power carbon High modulus mast? Comparisons with axis aluminum?

sunsetsailboards
331 posts
17 Jun 2022 1:34AM
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bending and torsion numbers are on their website, but no mention of weight

axisfoils.com/collections/power-carbon-mast-collection/products/power-carbon-high-modulus-foil-mast-base-plate-90

northy1
365 posts
17 Jun 2022 4:15AM
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i read on fbook the weights are about same as Alu but much stiffer...i hadn't noticed Alu not being stiff but i guess you have to try it to feel the difference. Shame they are not lighter though

LiquidAloha
NSW, 9 posts
17 Jun 2022 10:08AM
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Anyone know the thickness? 19mm or have they gone thinner?

baldy123
WA, 264 posts
17 Jun 2022 9:11AM
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The new Axis power masts look awesome. At least one kiwi brand knows the importance of a stiff mast! I'd personally rather see more strength at the base plate to board connection via washers and round holes not slotted and countersunk. Slightly more time to setup but much stronger when putting composite material under shear stress. Hitting the bottom is a reality for most non sponsored riders. Make it as strong as possible IMO.

hilly
WA, 6678 posts
17 Jun 2022 11:21AM
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$1,456.00 USD then you need an Aluula wing and the lightest board. Not much change from $10k AU to get a full set up. This sport is getting even pricier.
They look cool though

Svendson
18 posts
17 Jun 2022 2:24PM
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LiquidAloha said..
Anyone know the thickness? 19mm or have they gone thinner?


This. The 19mm alu mast has been talked up for its stiffness for years now. I'm not looking for stiffer and equally draggy, I'm looking for equal (or greater, at 1400 bucks) stiffness and significantly less drag.
Can't see anything about thickness in their rather long winded schpiel, bit hard to fathom trying to sell such an expensive high performance mast without addressing that point.

mikesids
90 posts
17 Jun 2022 3:08PM
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15mm down the lower portion apparently - people I know who have used it say you can notice the difference from the 19mm Ali mast. Re price - high modulus carbon masts have always been pricey, just ask the kitefoil racers. You don't have to spend the $$$ if you don't want to, but if you want a really stiff carbon mast there is now an option for you. Properly stiff carbon masts will generally be heavier, not featherweight - i think the benefit here is the reduction in thickness / drag without a reduction in stiffness.

Dspace
152 posts
17 Jun 2022 3:20PM
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hilly said..
$1,456.00 USD then you need an Aluula wing and the lightest board. Not much change from $10k AU to get a full set up. This sport is getting even pricier.
They look cool though



My sentiments exactly! Very happy with Gong's latest carbon V2 mast for $500 and an SLS Slick instead of a D-Lab. Of course the wife and I are spending a small ransom to visit our daughter (who just became a permanent Australian resident) in Melbourne this Dec-Jan.......priorities


FWIW, if low drag is your goal just buy a Mikes Lab rig. Nothing else will come close. About $3,500 usd before shipping..

chilliworks
3 posts
17 Jun 2022 4:27PM
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New mast looks like a much needed upgrade! It's also worth taking a look at these - UHM carbon, optimised layup for torsion + bending stiffness, fits Axis fuse.www.maguireboats.com/maguire-wing-foil-mast-417-p.asp

DWF
380 posts
17 Jun 2022 7:19PM
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baldy123 said..
The new Axis power masts look awesome. At least one kiwi brand knows the importance of a stiff mast! I'd personally rather see more strength at the base plate to board connection via washers and round holes not slotted and countersunk. Slightly more time to setup but much stronger when putting composite material under shear stress. Hitting the bottom is a reality for most non sponsored riders. Make it as strong as possible IMO.


I bet those slotted holes are stronger than the half assed track installations on most boards.

wsurfn
55 posts
17 Jun 2022 9:38PM
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Anybody want to comment on the NoLimitz mast which is high modulus and lighter?

burchas
183 posts
17 Jun 2022 10:21PM
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wsurfn said..
Anybody want to comment on the NoLimitz mast which is high modulus and lighter?



It's light, stiff and thin. Similar price. 1250 grams with hardware. Difference in drag over the 19mm is noticeable. No ventilation issues. Would like to see a showdown comparison between the two. Definitely worth consideration.

cct305
13 posts
17 Jun 2022 10:42PM
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The new carbon mast is 15mm thick for 300mm near fuselage. Ali mast 19mm thick.

Thatspec
WA, 94 posts
18 Jun 2022 12:28AM
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cct305 said..
The new carbon mast is 15mm thick for 300mm near fuselage. Ali mast 19mm thick.


How thick is the current carbon mast? 14mm sticks in my mind from some past thread.

Potting mine with epoxy to the fuselage made a pretty big difference in performance. It's amazing how much bigger the base is now, probably 20% more material there. The stock fit was super sloppy. Plenty stiff enough for my purposes and I like the 86mm size apparently no longer available.

Youngbreezy
WA, 852 posts
22 Jun 2022 10:57AM
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hilly said..
$1,456.00 USD then you need an Aluula wing and the lightest board. Not much change from $10k AU to get a full set up. This sport is getting even pricier.
They look cool though


$1855 AUD for the 820mm high modulus carbon mast. That is pretty pricey but when you add all the components together a full rig comes out about the same as most other full carbon setups but with I guess a much better mast.

hilly
WA, 6678 posts
22 Jun 2022 12:56PM
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Youngbreezy said..full carbon setups but with I guess a much better mast.



But it is not full carbon. You will still have to deal with tefgel

leepasty
115 posts
22 Jun 2022 2:15PM
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Potting mine with epoxy to the fuselage made a pretty big difference in performance. It's amazing how much bigger the base is now, probably 20% more material there. The stock fit was super sloppy. Plenty stiff enough for my purposes and I like the 86mm size apparently no longer available.


Exactly
there's a lot of talk about a single connection to the base plate as that's weak area but then there's still the 15mm x 10mm connection at the bottom to the fuse where it's most important. be interesting to see one in the flesh to see if it's tighter now as seen some really sloppy fits on current axis set ups

Youngbreezy
WA, 852 posts
22 Jun 2022 10:29PM
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hilly said..



Youngbreezy said..full carbon setups but with I guess a much better mast.




But it is not full carbon. You will still have to deal with tefgel


I really don't understand what the problem is with tefgel. Yeah its sticky grease but not a big deal in anyway. I am sure you have put wax on a board, why not a little grease on some foil bolts

NordRoi
473 posts
23 Jun 2022 10:34AM
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when the only complaint is adding tefgel...you know the product is good!! ;)

martyman
WA, 221 posts
23 Jun 2022 11:45AM
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wsurfn said..
Anybody want to comment on the NoLimitz mast which is high modulus and lighter?


Too flexible with larger wings.
I sold mine and went w a Cedrus.

martyman
WA, 221 posts
23 Jun 2022 11:47AM
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leepasty said..


Potting mine with epoxy to the fuselage made a pretty big difference in performance. It's amazing how much bigger the base is now, probably 20% more material there. The stock fit was super sloppy. Plenty stiff enough for my purposes and I like the 86mm size apparently no longer available.



Exactly
there's a lot of talk about a single connection to the base plate as that's weak area but then there's still the 15mm x 10mm connection at the bottom to the fuse where it's most important. be interesting to see one in the flesh to see if it's tighter now as seen some really sloppy fits on current axis set ups


Exactly where was the sloppiness? The only thing sloppy I've seen is the Alum Baseplate and Mast. Most everybody knows to fit it w alum tape or coke can alum.

Sheps
WA, 14 posts
23 Jun 2022 12:34PM
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Yeh and that is only sometimes necessary depending on the wear of the aluminium extruder, mine must have been an early one because it doesn't flex nor require the tape/coke can. There is no reason why the carbon won't be a tight fit. That being said, with the stiffness of the mast it is likely to put more pressure on other parts of the wings and joins.

leepasty
115 posts
23 Jun 2022 2:04PM
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Exactly where was the sloppiness? The only thing sloppy I've seen is the Alum Baseplate and Mast. Most everybody knows to fit it w alum tape or coke can alum.


On the carbon masts connection to the fuse. looks like they have changed the flange of n the power carbon masts as you now have to put them on and off certain way so should of sorted it ?

hilly
WA, 6678 posts
25 Jun 2022 9:39AM
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Youngbreezy said..I really don't understand what the problem is with tefgel. Yeah its sticky grease but not a big deal in anyway. I am sure you have put wax on a board, why not a little grease on some foil bolts


Had Axis at the start. Water in mast, corrosion of fuse and mast, stuck bolts, bolts coming lose at mast to base plate connection and dropping tefgel covered bolts in sand put me off. Happy with GoFoil.
This does look a good mast. Add a carbon fuse with titanium inserts and it would be even better.

jrc22ski
39 posts
25 Jun 2022 9:20PM
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I will probably upgrade to the new mast at some point.

I've been on ALU 75 and now 90 for the last 2 years. I use Tefgel. Inspect every 6 months and never an issue with corrosion, stuck bolts. Some water is always under the do-dad - maybe a 1/4 cup.

Youngbreezy
WA, 852 posts
26 Jun 2022 9:47AM
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hilly said..

Youngbreezy said..I really don't understand what the problem is with tefgel. Yeah its sticky grease but not a big deal in anyway. I am sure you have put wax on a board, why not a little grease on some foil bolts



Had Axis at the start. Water in mast, corrosion of fuse and mast, stuck bolts, bolts coming lose at mast to base plate connection and dropping tefgel covered bolts in sand put me off. Happy with GoFoil.
This does look a good mast. Add a carbon fuse with titanium inserts and it would be even better.


Yeah I wasn't campaigning you to go back to an ali set-up I was just saying that the issues you have described are pretty minor and don't effect my decision as to what gear to ride.

As far as a carbon fuse from what I understand there is very little performance or weight saving advantages from a carbon fuse vs aluminium. I like the fact the axis fuses less expensive as it makes it easier to have a couple different fuses in the quiver

Thatspec
WA, 94 posts
26 Jun 2022 11:46AM
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martyman said..

leepasty said..



Potting mine with epoxy to the fuselage made a pretty big difference in performance. It's amazing how much bigger the base is now, probably 20% more material there. The stock fit was super sloppy. Plenty stiff enough for my purposes and I like the 86mm size apparently no longer available.




Exactly
there's a lot of talk about a single connection to the base plate as that's weak area but then there's still the 15mm x 10mm connection at the bottom to the fuse where it's most important. be interesting to see one in the flesh to see if it's tighter now as seen some really sloppy fits on current axis set ups



Exactly where was the sloppiness? The only thing sloppy I've seen is the Alum Baseplate and Mast. Most everybody knows to fit it w alum tape or coke can alum.


The sloppiness is (now was) at the mast to fuse connection. Not saying they could do it any tighter on a production basis but there's some airspace in there that required you to re-tighten the bolts every session ( I started using blue loktite as it's stainless on stainless). After filling in all that airspace with epoxy it's solid as a Go Foil mast.

Dcharlton
215 posts
27 Jun 2022 12:13AM
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A LOT of money to spend on a mast that weighs the same as the Aluminum. I am pretty interested in it still, I'll just put this into the 'wait until I've had a few drinks before I buy' category...

DC

Thatspec
WA, 94 posts
27 Jun 2022 3:00AM
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Dcharlton said..
A LOT of money to spend on a mast that weighs the same as the Aluminum. I am pretty interested in it still, I'll just put this into the 'wait until I've had a few drinks before I buy' category...

DC


Agreed, As I'm not feeling like I'm missing anything it would take more than just a few drinks.

kobo
NSW, 867 posts
27 Jun 2022 6:28AM
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hilly said..


Youngbreezy said..I really don't understand what the problem is with tefgel. Yeah its sticky grease but not a big deal in anyway. I am sure you have put wax on a board, why not a little grease on some foil bolts




"Add a carbon fuse with titanium inserts and it would be even better." That's called an Armstrong fuse



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