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Chasing Longer Glides... aren't we all :)

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Created by Pat01 Wednesday, 24 Nov 2021
Pat01
WA, 39 posts
Wednesday , 24 Nov 2021 8:39AM
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BACKGROUND: 70kg guy on a 75L Sunova Aviator board with a Gofoil NL130 front wing with a 14" flip tip tail wing on a long pedestal...
I also have a GL180 front wing but have moved to the NL130 as I seem to be connecting more lumps during downwinders due to its speed. 4&5m Smik Wings. That said, I am only connecting max three lumps before I run out of juice.

QUESTION: Any advice on Go Foils that glide for longer? Happy going straight pretty much right now so turning abilaity isn't a big deal.

gzasinets
13 posts
Wednesday , 24 Nov 2021 9:00AM
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Did you try P180? New RSs I hear are pretty amazing. Sorry couldn't be more of help.

Pat01
WA, 39 posts
Wednesday , 24 Nov 2021 10:17AM
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gzasinets said..
Did you try P180? New RSs I hear are pretty amazing. Sorry couldn't be more of help.


Cheers mate, I have heard that the P180 could be a good choice alright. There is some talk that it may be replaced by one of the bigger RS's. They are supposed to be the bomb. I was recommended the RS1000 as a good allrounder but I probably need to up my OQ (ocean quotient ) and my pumping game to make proper use of it.

hilly
WA, 6298 posts
Wednesday , 24 Nov 2021 10:36AM
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Apparently, the RS does not exist gofoil.com/front-foils/ only EZ, GL, NL and PNL

gzasinets
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Wednesday , 24 Nov 2021 10:59AM
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hilly said..
Apparently, the RS does not exist gofoil.com/front-foils/ only EZ, GL, NL and PNL


It's coming Hilly, looks like December. Orig poster - I would def wait for RS.

AnyBoard
NSW, 33 posts
Wednesday , 24 Nov 2021 9:37PM
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If you wish to free wing the ocean bumps then you will need a higher aspect wing. I used my nl160 at first and was reasonably successful. I then tried the P180 which is just amazing for free winging the bumps in my opinion. Very low lift for its size and glides and pumps very well. It could definitely be too big to handle when the wind is over 20 knots and then the NL160 works well. The PNL185 is the same wing with some very subtle improvements. They both turn really well on the bumps for their given wingspan.

The rs1300 looks to be the next refinement of the P180 and PNL185. These are all downwind specialist wings. The RS 1150 will be the next smaller step down for down winding but will be very good for waves also . The is some info on the Australian Gofoil website but the RS foils are not officially released till December hence the scarce information.

You may find a P180 second hand at the right price.

If I am winging waves then NL160 and NL130 but on the bumps P180 is a dream.

65kgs and paying full price for my gear.


Pat01
WA, 39 posts
Wednesday , 24 Nov 2021 8:41PM
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AnyBoard said..
If you wish to free wing the ocean bumps then you will need a higher aspect wing. I used my nl160 at first and was reasonably successful. I then tried the P180 which is just amazing for free winging the bumps in my opinion. Very low lift for its size and glides and pumps very well. It could definitely be too big to handle when the wind is over 20 knots and then the NL160 works well. The PNL185 is the same wing with some very subtle improvements. They both turn really well on the bumps for their given wingspan.

The rs1300 looks to be the next refinement of the P180 and PNL185. These are all downwind specialist wings. The RS 1150 will be the next smaller step down for down winding but will be very good for waves also . The is some info on the Australian Gofoil website but the RS foils are not officially released till December hence the scarce information.

You may find a P180 second hand at the right price.

If I am winging waves then NL160 and NL130 but on the bumps P180 is a dream.

65kgs and paying full price for my gear.






Thanks a million for the in-depth response. I have heard about the P180 having issues with hairline cracks and gofoil are discontinuing them. That said I am tempted to take a punt on one as they sound great. I am concerned that a P180 will be overly slow to link bumps? I have a GL180 that is crazy slow in comparison to my NL130. Do you know how does the P180 compare to the GL180 for speed?

PS - I'm staying away from the NL / PNL moving forward as I pretty much tore myself a new one on the NL130 winglets when practicing toeside tacks. Not pleasant...

Cheers,

juandesooka
452 posts
Thursday , 25 Nov 2021 2:03AM
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Gofoil seems to be stepping away from GL/NL/P lines now, new gen is RS/GT/EZ. And suddenly lots of used NLs out there, as people dump their gear to get latest/greatest. I just picked up a 190 ... first task is to sand down the ginsu wingtips. :-)

My experience lately is NL160 as main go to for wing and surf, GL240 when very light / tiny waves, and a PNL 185 that I have had mixed success with. I have had more fun with it winging than surfing so far, it is hard to handle in the surf in figuring out the lift and turning, but it's magic when it works. I have to admit to some frustration lately where buddies on other brands are effortlessly gliding in small bumps for a minute at a time, not even pumping, just standing there ... and I am not. As you describe, I get a 3 or 4 count, maybe even 10 seconds, then have to pump or drop off foil. Definitely with NL160, and more I read about it, more I recognize it has a stall speed issue. Less so with PNL, but still not as WOW as my friends (most notably on Axis).

In my desperation to get that glide, I have considered bailing and chase the other brand gear that I am seeing in person works great. But I am already invested in GoFoil and so will continue exploring the options: will the new gen be magic/miracles? Is it a tuning issue with tail size, tail shim, fuselage length, foot placement, etc? Or is it my ability/skill level, eg poor efficiency or riding with foil too low in the water etc? So many variables, not enough time on water, it's hard to experiment enough to isolate it. So ... yes I'll admit ... I get frustrated and I know that is stupid for something that can and should be extreme FUN!

So ... looking forward to more first hand reports on the new gear and in the meantime will carry on with as much water time as I can get.

AnyBoard
NSW, 33 posts
Thursday , 25 Nov 2021 9:18PM
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I have found the P180 a little to fast when riding bumps in a bay with only 10klm fetch and 20 knots . It was actually easier to slow down and use the gl210 which gave me much more time to make better decisions. James Casey's idea not mine and he was spot on. I was trying to constantly jump over the bump in front instead of feeling the ride and using the energy. The P180 is easily fast enough to glide on the fastest of bumps with amazing bottom end. I can be nearly stopped sometimes and not stall out. I was a doubter but I think for its purpose it was a long way ahead of its time and rideability is the name of the game.

I definitely don't wish to ride waves on a wing span larger than 90 or so cm regardless of the hype of how well these big foils turn for their size. I can turn a P180 well enough in the surf but I would much rather be on a foil that is immediately responsive and dynamic.

GT wings are the same physical size as the NL's but from direct reports they turn even better and are more rideable.

I have ridden RS1000 prone foiling and for someone my weight it was impressive enough for me to order one. It also reminded me that 80cm wing span is so much better than 90cm to surf on.

It doesn't seem gofoil believe in the super high aspect direction (aspect ratio 10) . The RS1150 (91 wingspan) has recorded some very fast down wind averages so i hold hope that it will do what a 925 or lift 120 can do in very small surf just more rideable and it will turn better and will primarily be for free winging for me. For winging the RS1000 will be ideal for me in all but free winging the bumps.

For heavier guys i think the wing span of the super high aspects they have to ride to support them will wear off very quickly. HA1125 and 1325 people chopping them is a case in point.

I prone surf foil with my 21 year old son. He hasn't been foiling more than 6 months and rides my old gl140 (now 2.5 years old). Now i have had a few surf foils with the best riders on the best gear but watching my some rip and pump around on my old gear makes me realize all the gear is very good and not just the new gear. It is the user that is 95%. 4 foilers in the family and we are also invested.

Just another opinion from another clown on the forum. Such interesting times.

Enjoy.



baldy123
WA, 194 posts
Thursday , 25 Nov 2021 8:07PM
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This video is of the new GT. Glide looks pretty damn good for us SUP foilers.For winging I hear the new RS1000 will be one to get.



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