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Intermediate - Upgrade foil (Naish or Axis)

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Created by northy1 1 month ago, 20 Jun 2021
northy1
307 posts
20 Jun 2021 4:29AM
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Hi

I have been using a naish 110 and naish 2000 foil....i now want a new higher performance foil with more glide.

I ride 6m and 4m units and spend 65% of my time on 6m (im 90kg)...in UK

Would the Axis HPS 1050 be a good choice you think (wing only)?
I assume the Axis 1150 or 1300 PNG could be the alternative that would give more lift for light winds but slower.

OR, i stick with Naish (as im not convinced the 2020 naish boards are ideal with Axis...you have to mount them at rear and maybe cant use the front footstrap positions...moved in the very latest Hovers).

Any one with experience riding the Axis HPS vs PNG vs Naish HA (eg 1400 / 1800 foils)?

PS
if not so much Naish, what Prod boards are people using with Axis (if i went for the nuclear option and swapped boards)

Thanks
Northy

airsail
QLD, 655 posts
20 Jun 2021 4:47PM
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Naish have some nice HA wings out, the 1400HA will fit your set up and suit your weight. I'm 80 kg and the 1240HA is my go wing for all conditions above 12 knots.

At least with Naish you will know it suits the board. If going to Axis your going to need the black fuselage for the thin HPS wings. The Naish fuselage will fit all wings and is already low profile. The new Naish composite mast is good too, not quite as stiff as the Axis carbon but heaps cheaper.

Dcharlton
121 posts
20 Jun 2021 9:25PM
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For Axis you should also look into the 1120 or 1060 BSC (Broad Spectrum Carve). I've got my set up paired with the Quatro Wing Drifter and am really thrilled with it. I'm 90klg and have only 11 sessions of Wing Foiling under my belt but I really love the 1060 BSC. The lift it gives is simply amazing and the performance is incredible. My set up is all aluminum and its still very light and stiff.

I can't compare to the Naish wing set up.

Again, I only have about 11 sessions of this horribly addicting sport under my belt so I don't have a ton of experience but I did windfoil for 4 years on Slingshot and really like the feel of the Axis wings over anything I've used so far.

DC

Shlogger
164 posts
21 Jun 2021 2:34AM
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Agree w above. I have the 1800 and 1240. At 80 kgs I've been surprised how quick I come up on the 1240. Compared to the 2000, the 1800 has more top end and longer glides and pumps more efficiently. I keep it for light wind and waves below waist high. Once it's 15-17, I break the 1240 out. Coming off the 2000, I'd recommend going to the 1800. Get used to it, max it out, and then down the road jump to the 1240.
Just remember, regardless of brand, thicker foils sections w surfy, swept back shapes ride one way and flat Higher Aspect thinner foils ride another.
I've often wondered myself what a foil w a swept back shape, down turned tips and a thin HA foil section section would ride like, but I haven't seen one on the market yet.

LeeD
2970 posts
21 Jun 2021 2:50AM
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Naish 1150? All your traits and under 300 bucks.

martyj4
339 posts
21 Jun 2021 6:10AM
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Hi Northy1. I have the Axis BSC 1060 (1800cm2) and 900 HA (1200cm2). The 1060 is really good for early lift and has respectable top end.
I also have a Naish jetfoil 2000 which is also bloody awesome. I think the jetfoil has a little more lift at lower speeds, but tops out a little earlier than the Axis 1060. I don't think there's huge differences between them. I'm an intermediate wingdinger.
The HA 900 requires more speed to get going, but definitely has a higher top end than the other 2 bigger foils.
I am using the Naish 125 board (pretty sure its a 2020 model) with both and the axis and Naish foils can both be easily set up to suit on that board. The foil mast track is in a good position for those foils to work.

Grantmac
891 posts
21 Jun 2021 1:36PM
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Shlogger said..
Agree w above. I have the 1800 and 1240. At 80 kgs I've been surprised how quick I come up on the 1240. Compared to the 2000, the 1800 has more top end and longer glides and pumps more efficiently. I keep it for light wind and waves below waist high. Once it's 15-17, I break the 1240 out. Coming off the 2000, I'd recommend going to the 1800. Get used to it, max it out, and then down the road jump to the 1240.
Just remember, regardless of brand, thicker foils sections w surfy, swept back shapes ride one way and flat Higher Aspect thinner foils ride another.
I've often wondered myself what a foil w a swept back shape, down turned tips and a thin HA foil section section would ride like, but I haven't seen one on the market yet.


Starboard X-type is almost like that. I have no experience with it however.
I do find that foils with drooped tips tend to feel more on rails in turns and almost have more "traction" so to speak.

airsail
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21 Jun 2021 4:14PM
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Grantmac said..

Shlogger said..
Agree w above. I have the 1800 and 1240. At 80 kgs I've been surprised how quick I come up on the 1240. Compared to the 2000, the 1800 has more top end and longer glides and pumps more efficiently. I keep it for light wind and waves below waist high. Once it's 15-17, I break the 1240 out. Coming off the 2000, I'd recommend going to the 1800. Get used to it, max it out, and then down the road jump to the 1240.
Just remember, regardless of brand, thicker foils sections w surfy, swept back shapes ride one way and flat Higher Aspect thinner foils ride another.
I've often wondered myself what a foil w a swept back shape, down turned tips and a thin HA foil section section would ride like, but I haven't seen one on the market yet.



Starboard X-type is almost like that. I have no experience with it however.
I do find that foils with drooped tips tend to feel more on rails in turns and almost have more "traction" so to speak.


Turned down tips really effect the yaw stability. As the foil yaws the turned down tips cause higher drag due to them not being parallel to the water flow anymore. This causes the foil to automatically return to its happy streamlined state. Makes the foil feel like it is on rails, tracking straight and smooth turns.
It's something you really used to, foot switches are so easy and getting back on another foil without the tips takes some time to get used to.

northy1
307 posts
8 Jul 2021 6:22PM
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Thanks for all the feedback

I was going to buy Axis setup (but i was still a little bit relunctant as i do hear mixed reviews about positioning on the Naish board)...However, whilst i was looking at Axis, a set of 1400HA and 1800HA wings (and rear stabs) became available and i bought 2nd hand for 2/3rd of the price of 1x new Axis full setup (inc mast/fuse etc) so i went with Naish anyhow.

The Naish 1800HA looks like a slightly smaller version of my 2000 jet, so suspect i will now use the 1800 for light winds...will see
And then 1400 for stronger....and maybe keep the 2000 for friends to try

Will feedback!
Northy

Shlogger
164 posts
9 Jul 2021 1:23AM
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You'll notice the 1800 HA has a thinner foil section, this is where your speed and glide will come in. First time I did a DW'er on the 1800 last year, I was smiling from the speed difference and glide, not to mention having to worry about breaching as much.
It won't pump up as quick as your 2000, but it's no slouch. Enjoy the Ride.

northy1
307 posts
9 Jul 2021 8:05PM
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Shlogger said..
You'll notice the 1800 HA has a thinner foil section, this is where your speed and glide will come in. First time I did a DW'er on the 1800 last year, I was smiling from the speed difference and glide, not to mention having to worry about breaching as much.
It won't pump up as quick as your 2000, but it's no slouch. Enjoy the Ride.

Thanks Shlogger - appreciate the response.
Q. Do you bother moving the mast position with the different wings...with a thicker chord the 2000 centre of lift will be an inch or so fwd compared to the 1400HA for example...or just keep in same location?

Ch0p
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9 Jul 2021 9:22PM
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What top speeds are you guys getting on the Jrt 2000? I am used at 20mph from windsurfing and I am not getting anywhere close that, my watch says 12mp in 20-25mph wind. Not sure how much of it is the technique?

northy1
307 posts
9 Jul 2021 9:27PM
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i have only used the 2000 jet to date, and according to my Garmin watch the very fastest i have clocked is 18mph - typically max of 16-17 mph...slower than i windsurf for sure.

LeeD
2970 posts
10 Jul 2021 12:02AM
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Big wings are slow.
Different shape wings have different COE so some fore/aft adjustment is used.
Current decent speed wingers are using 850-1100 sq cm hi aspect foils and still slower than most windsurfers.
The windfoiler who is slalom board speed is using a 430 sq cm foil with 6 meter sail against pro slalom dudes.

Shlogger
164 posts
10 Jul 2021 7:56PM
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northy1 said..

Shlogger said..
You'll notice the 1800 HA has a thinner foil section, this is where your speed and glide will come in. First time I did a DW'er on the 1800 last year, I was smiling from the speed difference and glide, not to mention having to worry about breaching as much.
It won't pump up as quick as your 2000, but it's no slouch. Enjoy the Ride.


Thanks Shlogger - appreciate the response.
Q. Do you bother moving the mast position with the different wings...with a thicker chord the 2000 centre of lift will be an inch or so fwd compared to the 1400HA for example...or just keep in same location?


I'm leaving it almost in the same spot. When I jump from the 1800 to 1240, it means there's more wind and it still feels balanced as is. I do take it back a centimeter or two w the 2140.
As for speed, you'll find the 1800 much faster than the 2000. Also likes a speed lift off vs pump lift off of the 2000. The 1240 is my go too for jumping and anytime it's 17+.

LeeD
2970 posts
11 Jul 2021 1:03AM
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1st ride on 1150.
Compromise between low speed good turning delta shape and high speed hi aspect speed shape.
But Jack of all usually means master of none.
My 600-79 fuze-210 stab is faster.



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