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Shorter vs Longer Wing board

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Created by marco Wednesday, 24 Nov 2021
marco
WA, 203 posts
Wednesday , 24 Nov 2021 1:53PM
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Hi Guys

I am looking to downsize again to around 90 l board (I am 190cm and 95kg). I noticed a variety of lengths available, from short as 5'0 up to about 5'6.

What does the length of the board translate in regards to performance and feel (shorter vs longer)? Also, what it means to get on the foil (short vs long).

Appreciate any advice and thoughts.

bigtone667
NSW, 1442 posts
Wednesday , 24 Nov 2021 8:19PM
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The smaller you can make the board, the less weight you need to swing around.

The smaller you make the board, the harder they are to get going in light wind.

The smaller you make the board, the harder it will be to balance on if you knee start.

Jethrow
NSW, 1060 posts
Wednesday , 24 Nov 2021 9:09PM
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Yeah, I was thinking that I should be downsizing to improve my winging, however I'm still enjoying my 6'10" SkySUP.

When I thought about it with my analytical mind, I'm riding the board with an Axis PNG 1150 and it's right at the front of the tracks. I've got maybe 14 - 15 inches behind the front of the foil, so in reality I have a 5"6 board in front of the foil with 1'6 behind, so in reality I already have a short board!

NordRoi
422 posts
Thursday , 25 Nov 2021 12:44AM
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From the 5-6 samples we have here, everyone who started on 6'6-7' foil board (with windsurfing or kitesurfing experience) were very self sufficient after 7-8 sessions. Those who started on shorter board...specially shorter than 6'2 were efficient after 20 sessions roughly, at least! Some quit also. I find some sub 6' board with a lot of weight in front(thinking about windfoil board)...they have more swing weight then their peers...even if they are shorter.... to a certain extend.I also feel, that wider board is less reactive then narrower board...could be a placebo effect but this is what I feel....so to me a narrower board reduce swing weight.Where foil is located also affect a lot!

But yes, in general sub 6' is where you want to go next.

eppo
WA, 8585 posts
Thursday , 25 Nov 2021 6:30AM
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Agreed. Not many give enough credence to width. My last 90L (sold now) was 26 inches wide and still tapered significantly towards the nose (which made it feel a smaller board) but the width was a pain. Even though it was only 5'6. It was tiring to ride - especially in waves


At the other extreme my 4'5 34L prone board at only 19 or so inches is hard as hell to start but once up and riding it is effortless to turn. You aren not having to counter act the excessive yaw on a steep turn. Swing weight and being shorter are factors but the width to me is also important


i reckon in the normal litreage boards 22-23 inch would be nice. But hard to do with smaller lengths at higher volumes and of course harder to balance to get started.


I'd rather have a slightly longer board and less width myself with a board that tapers like a surfboard/sup at the front. Hate all that body width near the front.
Put it at the back I say where you need it to start.
the new PPC soar board for example makes sense to me.

marco
WA, 203 posts
Thursday , 25 Nov 2021 8:37AM
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Thanks guys for all the great advice ??

randomfoiler
12 posts
Thursday , 25 Nov 2021 8:50AM
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eppo said..
Agreed. Not many give enough credence to width. My last 90L (sold now) was 26 inches wide and still tapered significantly towards the nose (which made it feel a smaller board) but the width was a pain. Even though it was only 5'6. It was tiring to ride - especially in waves


At the other extreme my 4'5 34L prone board at only 19 or so inches is hard as hell to start but once up and riding it is effortless to turn. You aren not having to counter act the excessive yaw on a steep turn. Swing weight and being shorter are factors but the width to me is also important


i reckon in the normal litreage boards 22-23 inch would be nice. But hard to do with smaller lengths at higher volumes and of course harder to balance to get started.


I'd rather have a slightly longer board and less width myself with a board that tapers like a surfboard/sup at the front. Hate all that body width near the front.
Put it at the back I say where you need it to start.
the new PPC soar board for example makes sense to me.



Totally agree.
That's why I love my takuma tk65 @23.5 width and 5.2 length (65L) ...
it works perfectly as a "light wind" board (I am ~72-75kg without gear) ... and still feels nimble due to shape (and 5.1kg board weight).

Piros
QLD, 6250 posts
Thursday , 25 Nov 2021 11:05AM
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At 90 kg I just dropped down from a 5-10 custom x 28 x 105L ( 7 kg ) to the 2022 Fanatic TE 5-6 x 27 x 105 L (6.4kg ) . Pretty amazed at the stability of the Fanatic I'm still up hauling on it and amazing float and stability chugging around waiting for a gust. Went for a first run ( lawn mow) yesterday in 8 to 10 knots. I used my Axis 930 HPS & 6m wing as a bit of a test and still managed to get and going which really surprised me ( hard starts though) . The stand out feature was when I was up and foiling and hit a lull the board just pumped so well and easy compared to my 5-10. To me best of both worlds bigger board stability and small board feel. I will eventually get a sinker but very happy with this right now , can't wait to hit the waves & DW over the couple of days.

warwickl
NSW, 1799 posts
Thursday , 25 Nov 2021 4:35PM
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Piros said..
At 90 kg I just dropped down from a 5-10 custom x 28 x 105L ( 7 kg ) to the 2022 Fanatic TE 5-6 x 27 x 105 L (6.4kg ) . Pretty amazed at the stability of the Fanatic I'm still up hauling on it and amazing float and stability chugging around waiting for a gust. Went for a first run ( lawn mow) yesterday in 8 to 10 knots. I used my Axis 930 HPS & 6m wing as a bit of a test and still managed to get and going which really surprised me ( hard starts though) . The stand out feature was when I was up and foiling and hit a lull the board just pumped so well and easy compared to my 5-10. To me best of both worlds bigger board stability and small board feel. I will eventually get a sinker but very happy with this right now , can't wait to hit the waves & DW over the couple of days.



Piros, as per other thread, I just got the same 105l x 5ft 6in Fanatic.
Also first session started at 8kn slowly increasing with an Axis 930 HPS and 5.5m Slick wing. I am 76kg so got foiling just a little quicker than your 90kg, I expect.

Best board I've had to date, my legs are 75 yo so needed a bit of volume to get up from knees compared to my previous 95l Fanatic.

Dspace
86 posts
Thursday , 25 Nov 2021 2:38PM
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My three board evolution (77 kg, 6')

1. (2019) Blue Planet Carver; 114liter/ 5'8"/27"(?)/18.5#/bamboo/standard side&rear bevel

2. (2020) FoilSurfMachine; 90liter/5'1"/26"/12.8#/Innegra/standard rear bevel&reduced side bevel

3. (2021)FoilSurfMachine; 75liter/4'9"/24.5"/12.4#/Innegra/no rear bevel&no side bevel on rear half of board/tapered low volume pointy nose

Current 75 liter board; lightest swing weight and fastest from standing to on-foil via quick planing and release at higher speed with narrow profile "glide" foil, versus pumping up onto foil at lower speed with thicker "pumping" foil

hilly
WA, 6298 posts
Thursday , 25 Nov 2021 4:15PM
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A few litres under your body weight is better than 10 over. 105kg I found the corkiness hard to deal with on a 5 6 @ 112l. Just got a 99l 5 8 with lots of deck concave and it is super stable. Should have got a 5 5

warwickl
NSW, 1799 posts
Thursday , 25 Nov 2021 8:48PM
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hilly said..
A few litres under your body weight is better than 10 over. 105kg I found the corkiness hard to deal with on a 5 6 @ 112l. Just got a 99l 5 8 with lots of deck concave and it is super stable. Should have got a 5 5


A foil friend at 110kg rides a 40l board but that's not for me, each person has a requirement that works them.
It is good however to read others achievements.

Jeroensurf
511 posts
Friday , 26 Nov 2021 2:33AM
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I agree and so do different conditions dictate your gear usage too.At the North Sea with rasther constant wind i,m very happy with my AK5.8x90l (i,m right now 96 kg and wearing a 5/6mm full hooded winter suit etc).
On the other side: when its in the winter dead onshore or offshore we wing on a lake with lots of big luls and wind gaps.I can assure you: you don,t wanna sink till your belly in the water when it is around zero C when the wind suddenly dies. So just to be able to float back almost without wind I bought a 2022 Fanatic 5.8x 125l.
Yes she is 8kg (2kg more heavy as the AK) and not as nimble, but I can live with that when I see guys with small boards sitting and waiting/hoping for a gust till there balls freeze off.

goggo
NSW, 202 posts
Friday , 26 Nov 2021 6:47AM
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Jeroensurf said..
I agree and so do different conditions dictate your gear usage too.At the North Sea with rasther constant wind i,m very happy with my AK5.8x90l (i,m right now 96 kg and wearing a 5/6mm full hooded winter suit etc).
On the other side: when its in the winter dead onshore or offshore we wing on a lake with lots of big luls and wind gaps.I can assure you: you don,t wanna sink till your belly in the water when it is around zero C when the wind suddenly dies. So just to be able to float back almost without wind I bought a 2022 Fanatic 5.8x 125l.
Yes she is 8kg (2kg more heavy as the AK) and not as nimble, but I can live with that when I see guys with small boards sitting and waiting/hoping for a gust till there balls freeze off.


Wow! That's hard core. I feel like such a whimp, putting on 2mm steamer because the wind felt cool and there were a few showers around. 23 deg air and 21 deg water.
In my youth I surfed a bit in Victoria around Easter usually and was always glad to go north after a few weeks.



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