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wassuup
WA
Australia
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Posted 25/06/2004, 11:34 pm
   
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| Can anyone tell me where I can get a little safety knife from so if needed I can cut my kite lines, And is it a good idea or am I going to far on the safty side ? |
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Jess
WA
Australia
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Posted 26/06/2004, 11:21 am
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Hi wassuup,
Unfortunately I can't help you with where to get a little kite line cutter, commonly known as hook knives. I've been trying to source affordable ones for over 18 MONTHS! If you do manager to find one I'd really appreciate you letting me know where you got it from. I don't personally know anyone who does carry one but I still think if you can find a safe, secure place to fasten it when you go out they can only be a good thing.
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jan
WA
Australia
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Posted 26/06/2004, 11:22 am
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i have a hook safety knife in the back of my harness... came with the harness (dakine).
i consider it an important thing to have... shrug
kites: Caution Spitfire 2004 16m+12m board: Caution Redline 132 |
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jan
WA
Australia
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Posted 26/06/2004, 11:23 am
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jess: quite a few places on the net sell these for ~20-30USD plus shipping. the one i mentioned before came with my harness (all new dakines have them) and velcros into the pocket at the back of the harness)
kites: Caution Spitfire 2004 16m+12m board: Caution Redline 132 |
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Kitehard
WA
Australia
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Jess
WA
Australia
206 Posts |
Posted 26/06/2004, 1:48 pm
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Hi Jan,
Thanks for that. I am aware of a number of knives available over the internet for around AUS $40-$70 retail. We've been looking for knives around the $5-$15 mark retail. Such knives as in some harnesses and impact vests are ideal, however sourcing them as individual products is very difficult and as mentioned earlier has so far proven impossible!
Maybe wassuup should look at a Wipika or Dakine harness or Bump & Jump impact vest, these products have had inbuilt hook knives in the past. Just so nobody tells me I'm advertising, we do not stock any of these items. Again, I don't know where he can get a cheap one from.
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jan
WA
Australia
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Posted 26/06/2004, 4:40 pm
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jess if u and ur shop could get hold of the hook knives that come with the dakine harnesses i would have bought them a looooong time ago :)
and yeah, know what you mean, 40-70 retail is great if uve got plenty of cash, but the knives only look like a 5-15 dollar sorta item
for what its worth, i picked up my dakine tabu waist harness that ive been very stoked with from boardwalk surf on railway parade (subi area?)... unfortunately for me was in the upper range of harness prices but the extra money was well worth it in my opinion, they are the most comfortable harness ive tried, and ive tried (on the water) a fair few
maybe the sponsors (aren't they allowed to post advertisingy stuff btw laurie??) might feel like chipping in and letting us know if they stock harnesses w/ hook knives or even hook knives on their own?
kites: Caution Spitfire 2004 16m+12m board: Caution Redline 132 |
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RayQ
WA
Australia
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Posted 26/06/2004, 6:12 pm
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| takes about 5 min to make one yourself, if you got an old stainless spreading knife you can cut into 5cm sections, and are comfortable with an angry anglegrinder in one hand, drill a hole into that. but where to wear it ???? |
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dachopper
NSW
Australia
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Posted 26/06/2004, 6:52 pm
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. The dakines come with the knives in the back STANDARD definately
and why would you want a knife again????
Ive never used one in 5 years of kiting ,
Never seen one used in 5 years of kiting and would say if your contemplating using a hook knife in the safety aspect ie if your about to die, your out of your mind!
A descent safety is All you need , if the safety system is going to fail get another one that won't fail , I can't see myself reaching back whilst being overpowered picking a razor sharp knife with no shief out of my back pocket, while my fingers are wet , im fearing for my life, getting dragged(body bashing) at 20+ kts caus my safety failed and my chickenloop won't quick release and ive chucked the bar , and i kant unhook some mofo death leash while my kites doing loops, and somhow reach all the way to the lines to cut some, which is only gonna fuel more powerfull uncontrolable kite loops as i kut them 1 at a time
In my opinion , If your thinking of getting a knife for cutting lines when your outa controll , your mad! get a safety , and use a knife for repairs on the beach!
Ps I've got a dakine harness with a knife standard, and i will allready garrantee that I'll never use it in anger
Interested to hear actually of any1 outy there that has acutally cut lines in anger, and what happened afterwards!. |
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wassuup
WA
Australia
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Posted 26/06/2004, 6:59 pm
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Thanks for all the info will try surfing the net and also try the skydiving mobs. See you lot when I have been successfull in learning the kitesurfing thing. P.S John from SOS in freo has been a great help in helping us getting started. |
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jan
WA
Australia
1118 Posts |
Posted 26/06/2004, 7:37 pm
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a hook knife is useful when you get hammered in surf and the kite and lines fall AROUND you... kite powering up and tangling YOURSELF in the kite lines
if you think it cant happen, google for some pictures of the injuries ppl have managed in this exact situation.
you can get to the knife without any danger of cutting yourself, and use it without any danger of cutting yourself
the knife is there just in case
i, for one, will always carry a knife like this, and practice reaching for it for that once in a lifetime situation where it saves my life.
k thx
kites: Caution Spitfire 2004 16m+12m board: Caution Redline 132 |
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kk
WA
Australia
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Posted 27/06/2004, 1:54 am
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| don't know whether the blades are stainless... But I've seen hook knives at Bunnings that they sell as Shade cloth cutters... $5 or less I think? Also the rescue and police services use a knife that they call a seat belt knife which is the the same.. |
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Kitehard
WA
Australia
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Posted 27/06/2004, 8:52 am
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Hey guys and Gals,
Do not trust the Dakine or Bump and Jump Hook knives, the blades are either not stainless or a very poor quality stainless because they rust in a short time and when you go to use them they fall apart.
The paramedics one is also called a 911 knife and they are about 70 USD from disposal stores that can order them in for you. Jan is right, they are mainly for if you get "gift wrapped" or "sushi rolled" in your lines in the surf. This does happen and it isnt the kite being powered by the wind that is the problem, it is a kite with a wave pushing it that does the damage.
I have had reason to use a hook knife once in my kiting career and it wasn't on my kite. A guy on the beach snapped a line on his foil kite and was attached to the kite with it doing the windwill of death. Many people were in danger of his lines. It was a justified action.
If you guys know Russel and Carrie, they had some made and are about 5 dollars each, best quality staino and easy to grab. I have one with if you bump into me on the beach I will show you.
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ben04
WA
Australia
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Posted 27/06/2004, 9:31 am
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I had to use my dakine hook knife a while back because i was tangled in my lines attached to a slowly sinking foil.
I tried to swim to the kite and wrap it up for a swim in after i snapped a line. This was not a good idea. The lines wrapped around me and i couldnt get out. About 50m from shore the kite started going under( good thing about blimps, no problem with that)so i pulled the Dakine knife and TRIED to cut my self free. The knife would not even cut one line and i was really trying. I know how to use a hook knife so there was no human error, the knife failed to cut and I was going down with the kite. This was not a good situation but luckily i was close to shore and got washed into the surf zone. If i had been out further i definatly would have been in trouble.
So kiters if you have a hook knife especially a Dakine one I suggest you take some spare line into the water and do a emergency simulation
becauase I had faith in the product and it definatly failed when I needed it most. I used to carry one of the large sky diving ones, the brand is Jack Knife and they do work. I think about $50 but money well spent when a **** little one that comes with the harness doesnt cut at all.
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RayQ
WA
Australia
580 Posts |
Posted 27/06/2004, 2:51 pm
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| Read a report last year, a young kitesurfer found dead, was somewhere in the caribean, still attached to his kite floating in the water, drowned, only thing they found was a rope burn on his ankle, me thinking maybe a knife would have saved him????? |
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chief
WA
Australia
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Posted 27/06/2004, 9:12 pm
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Guys,
Do you reckon these would be any good? If they cut through seatbelts, surely they would do the business on kite lines? Price seems reasonable
Cam |
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chief
WA
Australia
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Ian Grose
WA
Australia
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Posted 27/06/2004, 10:48 pm
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Chief,
Thanks for that info. I have emailed them to get several of each to test and see if they are OK.
As Jess said previously we have been trying to source some that work well at a reasonable price for quite a while.
Para gliding, hang gliding and parachuting gear tends to be too expensive and buying something that doesn't work is even worse.
We will let everyone know if these ones are good.
Thanks,
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chief
WA
Australia
54 Posts |
Posted 28/06/2004, 9:39 am
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Ian,
I think the #2 model looks the business. This is just one of heaps of sites that sell these things. Just go to any search engine and type in "seat belt cutter" and you'll get plenty of hits.
Let me know how you get on
Cheers
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jjd
WA
Australia
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Posted 28/06/2004, 11:15 am
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Chief,
will the knife be useful to cut up the prick who stole my board?
Or maybe if I catch the little f~cker, I'll send him over to Botany Bay (like the convicts)for banana smoothies and soup for 6 weeks!!! |
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