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Posted 13/09/2007, 8:36 am        Report    
I reluctantly tried an 11m Edge on Monday. I say this because with 7 struts, 5 lines, anti-inversion lines and only 11m, I really never had any interest in trying this kite. So grateful to the mate who forced it on me… it was a great 4 hrs of kiting. No pimping but best kite I’ve ever flown… by a country mile. I have flown the Helix, Crossbows, Switchblades, Ion 2, Waroo’s and many others. Still waiting to try the Rev and Nemesis Kite: Ozone Instinct Edge 11m Board: Underground FLX 128 Location: Kurnell Wind: 15 – 23 knots NE probably gusting to 25 at times Water: Flat with chop Rider Weight: 79kg Rider Ability: Intermediate (3yrs-jumping, kite looping, just starting unhooking) Usual Kite: Own and fly 07 Waroo’s. Crossbow’s prior to that. NEGATIVES: The only flaw I could come up with, if I was getting super picky, I would prefer a tiny bit more depower throw on the bar. But then again, I’m not used to this kite yet. Oh.. and yeh… it doesn’t come in pink damn it ! POSITIVES: I don’t know where to start. Hardware: Bar and lines superb quality with 5 line system all labeled and super heavy duty. The Instinct is a high aspect flat kite. The kite construction is faultless in appearance and pure quality all the way. It doesn’t have one-pump which I actually prefer. There are no bridles at all except to spread the load on the 5th line and give the kite its high projected area. The valves are the best I’ve used and inflate/deflate super easily. All fittings and fixtures on the kite are very well thought out and only there if necessary. The bag looks awesome, is a good size and does have all the bells and whistles. Flying: It delivered a lot more power than I was expecting from an 11m. The power delivery and depower is so smooth and it ate gusts better than anything else I’ve ever flown. The kite seemed really grunty and just seemed to perform better and better as the wind got stronger. I didn’t get the opportunity to establish is upper and lower wind ranges but I sure would love to find out… especially the high end as the boost on this thing was amazing. The stability of this kite is brilliant; it just sits where you left it and is so predictable in flight. The first thing that really stands out is that these kites have almost no backline pressure which takes a little getting used to but I started to love after about 10 minutes. The great news is, this sucker turns without backline pressure as well. It’s hard to explain but this kite turns so effortlessly at any radius you choose. I’m not a great kite looper as yet but back loops were powered and strong for the whole 360 degrees of the loop which is a really nice change for what I’m used to. It was always fully powered through turns, both up and down stroke with no sign of stall. I was able to get used to this kite really quickly which is unusual for me but really nice. But the thing that I could not believe about this kite was the boost and hang time. I couldn’t get over it, particularly considering that I wasn’t anywhere near its upper range. For the whole time I was out, I was constantly surprised by the height I was getting on boosts. It goes huge! Hang time has always seemed the same to me on kites before this one but it stays up there forever. It’s actually a bizarre feeling being up there that long which I’ve never experienced before. As such, the landings are really soft. I cannot comment on how the Instinct flies unhooked as I didn’t try it and wouldn’t be qualified to give an opinion although I would really like to hear someone’s opinion on that aspect. I’ve read every thing I’ve just written and it sounds like a pimp fest but this is an honest review by a normal rider. I have done other reviews which have had a ton more negatives and in my opinion, justifiably so. I’m not asking you to take my word for it, but if you get the opportunity, try an Ozone Instinct Edge. I’ve never enjoyed a kite so much. I never thought I’d say it, but my Waroo’s are going up for sale. Cheers, IAN
QLD
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Posted 13/09/2007, 2:45 pm        Report    
Hey Felix .....I know what you mean, I have just bought the 13m Edge Look back on here a page or 2 you will find my initial review. It is an awesome kite. Wait till you try it in waves as well. I have said it before but this thing is just pure pleasure to ride. Check out the Chasta video's on the ozone site especially the 06 can't beat the hype video. I have found that back line tenson increases with speed. But you are right it feels weird to start with, after a short time you get used to it and then when you are on a wave its awesome. These kites are seriously under pimped. you see it on here all the time you got to try different gear before you can comment. With all the hype surrounding helix etc, Ozone has been overshadowed. But there are a few of us that KNOW...follow your instincts!
WA
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Posted 13/09/2007, 5:13 pm        Report    
Is there a distributer in Perth? Thanks )_)_)_)_)_)_)_)_)_)_)_u
NSW
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Posted 13/09/2007, 7:08 pm        Report    
Dribble drool drool.... Nice review Felix, most of that sounds exactly like my opinion of the original Instinct, especially the jumping ability and hangtime, it's like a glider, though I'm sure the Edge boosts higher still. I'm very keen to try the Edge and to compare it to my modified 06 Instincts. I have modified the 11 and 13 with a Y bridle where the steering lines attach to the kite , as on the 07 models, which greatly increases turning speed. From other peoples reviews on kiteforum etc it seems that the modified 06 kites sit somewhere between the Edge and Sport, with perhaps a greater range than the 07's. The comfortable range on the Instincts continues to amaze me, had a great powered up session on the 13 today while a mate was on a 7m Xbow. Alternatively I've comfortably used the 9m while others were on big 14m Bows. I can add one negative to your list, they're a bit expensive.
NSW
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Posted 14/09/2007, 7:15 am        Report    
Hey Tobes, Feel your pain on the price thing... the only thing that makes the pill a bit easier to swallow for me is the build quality and accesories etc... at least you can see where your money goes. QUESTION: Can anyone give me an opinion/review of the 9m Edge ? I would like to get one of these as well as the 11 but I am concerned that 9 might be a bit close to the 11 in wind range. Conversely the 7 is too big a gap. Any thoughts ?
QLD
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Posted 14/09/2007, 8:03 am        Report    
The pricing is not to bad when you consider the quality of the package. As felix says the lines are top quality the bag is the best bag of all the kites and the materials used on this kite are tops. And the ride is awesome. I did my research before I bought my gear and for tose who don't know already Ozone is a high quality kite manufacturer with its roots in para sailing (no wonder they know how to add hang time to their products) They have been making LE kites for another well know Brand for 5 or so years. So this type of product is not new. Ozone power kites have a huge following in Europe so these guys could of produced a Doona but choose to go with inflatable leading edge. Ozone dominates competitions in Europe and also regularly is in the top 3 of hang time comps and speed comps all over the world. The are not so well known here because they are not represented by the major kite importers who have more pull at the retailer level. (I have nothing to do with Ozone other than I own one.) Personally I would like to keep them a secret, and when you can tear up wind a good 5 degrees higher than anyone else and you have the up wind space all to yourself you appreciate being the only one on Ozone. When you can jump higher and hang longer than most guys on the beach(when you know how to that is ) then I think you forget about the extra 1 or 2 hundred bucks you might have paid.
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Posted 14/09/2007, 11:34 am        Report    
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Originally posted by uturn
Is there a distributer in Perth? Thanks )_)_)_)_)_)_)_)_)_)_)_u
Try SOS in Freo, they are an Ozone dealer, don't think they have any on the shelf at the moment but they have sold a few and may be able to put you in touch with the owners. Cya and Goodwinds Steve
VIC
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Posted 17/09/2007, 8:52 pm        Report    
Yep, flew an 11m Edge a few months ago and loved it. Am amazed that there are not more people on these kites. Am after a new 9m this year and it may be an Ozone, just have to demo a Rev and Nemesis HP first.
QLD
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Posted 22/09/2007, 12:32 pm        Report    
be interested on your final choice
NSW
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Posted 22/09/2007, 7:05 pm        Report    
Got to demo every 08 kite under the sun today. The Edge is still my favourite by a long shot. I've placed my order for an 11 Edge. mmmmmmm.... newwwww toyyyysssss...
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Posted 22/09/2007, 8:08 pm        Report    
Some guy at Sandgate today did a self-launch with an Instinct and in what I thought was a classic case of front lines to back and back to front incorrect rigging (kite flies up and as soon as kiter pulls bar in, the kite dives down), he told me it was because the line that goes across the kite got tangled. Has anyone had the same experience with this middle line? His girlfriend came to the rescue and tried to catch the kite on its trailing edge. Lucky no one else was in the kite's rolling over path.
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Posted 22/09/2007, 8:29 pm        Report    
It's pretty impossible to rig an Instinct the wrong way around, there are "kook resistant" knots and loops on the lines, and numbers on the pigtails and lines. I'm not sure if I can picture what happened...was it a SLE style slide self launch? I haven't had any issues with the anti invert line tangling. I've managed to do a few ugly things with it, like frontstalling and rolling it through the lines, but always recoverable. Importantly, I have modified the 06 bar to flag on the front lines like the 07 kites. So Felix, what else did you fly today?
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Posted 23/09/2007, 7:21 am        Report    
Had a problem wiping the smile off my face since I used a demo 11m Edge from Kite Power, thanks Steve. I now own a 11m and a 13m Instinct Edge. Fast, smooth turning, floaty, soft landing a joy to use. However the bar and the inversion lines were a pain. On the bar the OSH line tended to tangle with the depower strap and the fifth. While, during a launch, the invert (span) line occasionally caught around the trailing edge of the kite. Kite, still controllable but pulls to one side. Solved both problems by removing the offending items. Further the non swivel and the chicken loop have been replaced with a Cabrinah chicken loop with an inbuilt swivel. Easy to unwind by hand. Very happy with the kites, but the bar and the safety systems need some work. Minor irritations given the performance of the kites.
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Posted 23/09/2007, 7:23 pm        Report    
Padi .hope you advised the guy to get some lessons. As tobes says pretty impossible to stuff up. Color coded lines, numbered and kook proof ends. Can't see how you can get the lines crossed either. The line from the tips to the 5th line wouldn't cause this problem either . I have self launched the 13m edge a couple of times now. It is pretty easy and pretty safe. I think that folding the wing tip and placing sand on is the best way for this size kite. The 13m edge didn't seem to want to sit on its wing tip when i had it tied to a pole like my rebel does. My 14 rebel and my rhino just sit there until I hook up then just fly up but the edge keep falling onto its LE. I haven't worked out the best way to self land yet. Anyone out there got it sorted yet.
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Posted 24/09/2007, 7:57 am        Report    
Hey Tobes, Flew a few Cabs, the New Nemesis 10m, Ozone Sports and Edge, Naishes, Gaastra's and the Rev in the last week. I normally fly 9 and 13 2007 Waroos. Its been a great opportunity to make a well informed choice of kites for the season. After all this, the decision turned out to be easier than I expected. Bought an 11m Ozone Edge yesterday. PS:Self landing them is really Easy. I havent self launched one yet.
QLD
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Posted 24/09/2007, 11:35 am        Report    
Felix .... please elaborate on your self landing techinque. With my Norths I just fly the kite to the edge and once the kite tip is on the ground I walk quickly downwind pulling on the top line and the kite just drops onto its front edge then I give the top line a quick pull ant the kite turns into the wind. This doesn,t seem to work for my 13m Edge. If the wind speed is up a bit on the norths you can pull a bit of 5th line as well and this helps. Again this didn't seem to work on the Edge. The area I self launch and self land is is quite small (about 30m to the water waters edge x 50m long of shore, thats it in my avitar) with trees and signs so you can easily get in trouble if you get it wrong. I live right there on the beach so it doesn't make sense to go to another beach. I am lucky enough to have this beach to myself most of the time so self landing and launch is a must. In the weekend I kited to the next beach were there was a heap of other guys to land me then I walked back to my beach. Any help would be appreciated. As for launching I think the 13m is more difficult than the smaller sizes but the sand on the wing tip approach works really well. I think the difference between the norths and this kite for self landing is the 5th line bridle system on the leading edge which incorperates the 5th line into the handling characteristics of the kite. This a really good inovation to have when flying the kite and is responsible for the nice even power through the turns, but doesn't help much with self landing. Tobes any pic's of the mods you made??? Padi ... poor sledging effort ,could have been any brand of kite.
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Posted 24/09/2007, 4:45 pm        Report    
Hi Felix What, wind strength, bar length, line length and kite setting did you try the Nemesis 10m on? If you like the ozone I am guessing you like feather lite bar pressure? Almost everyone who has tried the 10m Nemi found the AA setting on 25m lines and 45 or 55 bar too light, but I reckon you would like it if you like the ozone. Did you find it a bit to direct and responsive?
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Posted 24/09/2007, 4:47 pm        Report    
Hi Felix What, wind strength, bar length, line length and kite setting did you try the Nemesis 10m on? If you like the ozone I am guessing you like feather lite bar pressure? Almost everyone who has tried the 10m Nemi found the AA setting on 25m lines and 45 or 55 bar too light, but I reckon you would like it if you like the ozone. Did you find the nemi a bit too direct and responsive?
NSW
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Posted 24/09/2007, 4:59 pm        Report    
Seen this clip of slide launching the original Instinct?
The Edge might be a bit different because it is higher aspect, but I think it should work fine. Self landing in medium-strong wind I connect the leash to front line safety, put the kite on the beach and then unhook. I've got some pictures of the mods somewhere, but you don't need them, you've got the sexy 07 gear.
NSW
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Posted 24/09/2007, 5:43 pm        Report    
Hey Rusty, I use the same technique as you do for self landing. I tend to dive the kite hard down from about 5 feet up and pull the front line once down. The reason I found it so easy on the instincs is the handle attached to the front line... works a treat.
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Posted 24/09/2007, 5:59 pm        Report    
quote:
Originally posted by kusu
Hi Felix What, wind strength, bar length, line length and kite setting did you try the Nemesis 10m on? If you like the ozone I am guessing you like feather lite bar pressure? Almost everyone who has tried the 10m Nemi found the AA setting on 25m lines and 45 or 55 bar too light, but I reckon you would like it if you like the ozone. Did you find the nemi a bit too direct and responsive?
Hi Kusu, Went to the demo day purely to try the Nemi which I have been exited about for months. I was actually expecting to place an order for one after trying it. I've never been a fan of ultra light bar pressure and actually altered the rear bridles on my Waroos to increase it a bit. The Nemi was on the factory settings and 07 55cm bar with 25m lines. The bar feed back was good. I'm not rubbishing the kite, but for me it didn't turn or deliver power smoothly at all(in or out of the turns) and it was a bucking bull in the gusts. I much prefer my 07 Waroos and would prefer to stay with them instead (if I hadn't discovered the Edge that is). Please don't get me wrong, I am not sledging the kite, I wanted to buy one until I flew it, it just obviously didn't suit me at all.
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Posted 24/09/2007, 7:24 pm        Report    
Hey Rusty, any chance you could do a quick comparo of the Rebel vs the Edge? I had a 14m Rebel last season but sold it after I found it too slow turning compared with the 12m which I was occasionally flying (but needed the extra grunt of the 14m because I am 100 odd kg). Based on this I am tossing up between just going to get an 08 14m Rebel, or maybe trying a few others. The F-One Bandit and the Ozone Edge / Sport look like the other candidates at this point. Cheers, Dan
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Posted 25/09/2007, 8:42 am        Report    
Hi Dan I will try and give you a fair comparisome. I am 100kgs also. 1 year kiting but a lot of time on the water. Self landing and Launching, Boosting, ride toe side, good up wind ability. Learning back rolls and foward roles don't ride unhooked. Boards: 07 Nobile 555 145 x 41 (get one they are awsome for guys our size),07 nobile 555 135,07 underground 138. (Had a 148 underground but I didn't like it.) Kites: 07 North Rebel 14m, 07 North Rhino 10m, Ozone 13m Edge. I got to say right from the start... I like both kites . Here goes. Bag: Edge wins hands down. You can pack the Edge away exactly as it came. You have a zip up pocket on the top so not everything falls out when to tip out the kite.Clips that help it zip up a place for evrything and a comfy back pack. First class. The Pump is a pump the guage being on the side is a pain when pumping up.(north do supply a good pump) Bar: The bar on the Ozone is wider than the North. North bar 5th element wins here. The clam cleat on the north does not function as well as the clam cleat on the Ozone, but the trim line on the edge does tend to wrap around the 5th line gear and is a bit of a pain. You do need to use the trim more on the Ozone than the North. I like the anti wear material in the chicken loop line on the Ozone. Lines: The ozone lines are thicker and stiffer well labeled. And kook proof like the north. I like the Ozone lines a little better as they seem easier to separate when rigging. Attaching the 5th line is easier on the north, the pigtail is harder to get at on the Ozone. The Ozone comes with 27m lines, my north has 25m lines. Pumping up the kite: The valves on the Ozone are excellent way better than North. I don't like 1 pump or even 2 pump systems. Spent too much time swimming after my Rhino when I was having problems with the strut bladders. An extra minute or 2 on the beach pumping up beats the **** out of the problem caused when half your kite goes flat. If 1 rib deflates on a 1 or 2 pump system you got problems. Launching the kite: With the Rhino you can turn the kite up and just let the bar go, The Edge prefers you to fly it up. Once up though you can let the bar go and it will just sit there where as the rhino will start to wander around. Bar pressure: Here is were you notice a huge difference. The bar pressure on the north is very high and constant. The Ozone there is minimal bar pressure. In light winds there is no bar pressure. when you turn the rebel you can feel the bar pressure increase on one side or the other but with the ozone the bar pressure doesn't change. As the wind picks up though you get nice bar pressure on the Ozone but again it is minimal. Its a weird sensation at first but after a short while flying the Ozone you learn to love it. Flying the kite: The first thing that stands out is the stability of the Ozone compared to the rebel. Even with the light bar feel you very quickly get used to knowing exactly where the kite is. I have trouble flying the Rebel with one hand as I just can't seem to park it. It is constantly on the move. Where as the Ozone just sits where you put it. My 10m rhino does the same thing ...very stable kite. In light winds I think the Rebel has marginally more low end grunt than the Ozone. But with the right board choice this can be overcome. They are very close. The upper end with the Rebel i can comment on ...I have been out in over 30 knots with this kite had a little trouble holding my edge in gusts, but still had the kite under full control. High end gusts give your arms a great work out, but for 100kgs guys you can still have a good session with the 14m Rebel in winds under 35 knots. I haven't had the Ozone out in high winds yet ,but from the feel of her so far I think she handles gusts better, and the top end would be higher. I spend most of my time riding around in heavy chop with quite big waves out the back but they are very close together. The Rebel likes to go slower, and is quite suitable for these conditions. The Ozone is much faster, much like my Rhino. How ever it will fly very well further back in the window making it very nice also in these conditions. On the waves, for me the Edge wins. The light bar pressure and they way the kite just hangs up there means you can surf the wave and then quickly turn the kite to regain pressure. I am not a wave expert I just know that I had the most enjoyable session a couple of weekends ago on the waves. I was out till dark just going back and forwards on the waves absolutely loving it. I could not get the rebel to perform the same last weekend. Like the Rebel the Turning improves as the wind picks up. The Ozone turns faster then the 07 Rebel, I can't comment on the 08, but I would like to fly one and find out. The Ozone likes being signed much more than the rebel. I have had the confidence to loop the Ozone as the power through the turn is very smooth on the Ozone. Still not sure about looping the rebel. Both kites will back stall, you can recover the Ozone if this happens but the rebel will always hit the water. Boosting: The rebel is very easy to jump basically just send the kite and pull on the bar and up you go. My landing technique is not so good yet but I do get plenty of height so I have had a few sore rib days with the rebel. The Ozone requires better technique and timing to jump. Send the kite from about 10:30 then Edge hard upwind and as you feel the lift, pull in on the bar and wow! you go high. The nice thing about this kite is the huge hang time and soft landings, this kite seems to glide. So needless to say I like the Ozone better for jumping. I have actually managed some nice landings and this because of the extra hang time gives me time to sort things out. The other thing that helps is that you can actually park the kite at 10 or 11 and it will stay there while you pick your wave. I have found with the rebel that I have to keep watching the kite on the Ozone I hardly look at the kite at all any more.( although it is a pretty kite I have the Orange black and white one.) If I was only allowed to keep 2 kites out of my current quiver it would be the 13m Edge and the 10m rhino. If I was only allowed to keep 1 kite it would be the Ozone. The Edge is just such a nice kite to fly. I got into this sport for enjoyment and the Ozone just leaves me smiling every time I go out on it. Dan you need to try these out first but an hour on the Ozone will probily get you hooked. Sorry this turned out longer than expecteded.
NSW
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Posted 25/09/2007, 7:04 pm        Report    
Cheers, thanks for the review Rusty. Really appreciate the level of detail. Funnily enough I have been riding for a year, have an 07 135 555 and had an Underground 138 as well. Will definately look at the 145 for the lighter wind days funds permitting. Well you've definately convinced me to get down to demo one. I really enjoyed the Rebel but just struggled with the slower turn speed of the 14 after flying the 12. Your other observations of the Rebel were spot on with my experience as well with regards to bar pressure and one handed flying etc. The conditions I fly in are generally 15 - 25 knots and choppy so I am going to try and get away with a 1 kite / 1 board quiver for as long is I can. Looks like I might need to look at another board shortly to get the bottom end but the 13m Edge might sort me out for the range. Cheers, Dan
QLD
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Posted 26/09/2007, 8:31 pm        Report    
no worries let us know what you think once you have demo'd one of these babies.
 
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