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InlandSailor
InlandSailor
44 posts
44 posts
28 Dec 2011 3:57pm
What do experienced karters think is the most effective value for money improvement when developing a performance Kart from a production model? What order would you develop a Performance Kart? EG
1. Carbon Fibre mast sections
2. Rachet Block
3. mast Crane

etc.

Looking forward for your opinions!!!

landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
28 Dec 2011 9:29pm
podfor upwind, then carbon,,a combinationof carbon and ultra carbon(youll probably have to buy both)
rachet,crane probably in the bling category.
downwind the pod is not a massive improvement, but upwind you can feel the difference.
better downhaul system as well,and some decent batten tensioners instead of those awfull elastic things
but what would I know, Ive only been in 5 or 6 little blowie races
port
port
VIC
446 posts
VIC, 446 posts
29 Dec 2011 7:37am
InlandSailor said...

What do experienced karters think is the most effective value for money improvement when developing a performance Kart from a production model? What order would you develop a Performance Kart? EG
1. Carbon Fibre mast sections
2. Rachet Block
3. mast Crane

etc.

Looking forward for your opinions!!!

Greg best improvement i can suggest is two karts the same set up and practice practice,time in kart is the first step.


Barak BBB
Barak BBB
QLD
40 posts
QLD, 40 posts
29 Dec 2011 10:32am
If I had to start again setting up a perfomance kart with a budget in mind I would start with a POD then a mast (at least two ultra carbon and two- three carbon , keep a fiberglass first and second for gusty days) then a better down haul . A good rachet will save your strength and will give you more sail time ( I think a rachet block is allowed in production) . A crane will only help you in light wind to get the sail from side to side , it will also position your sail higher on the mast but not that essential
Batten adjuster are a pain if you are on the beach - sand make it hard to adjust sometime , I prefer the old type sails , so if you got the old sails with a strep - keep them
Regardless of class and budget you can balance your wheels and you can trick your bearings (bearings will only help in light wind )
And then you will have to get used to the new kart - it will feel totaly different so like what Port said practice a lot
Have fun
djb
djb
QLD
174 posts
djb djb
QLD, 174 posts
29 Dec 2011 11:38am
We have had this discussion on the beach at Bucasia many times with newbies and experienced karters.

While Barak has always said Pod first, I added a Carbon mast first (Ultras were not available at the time).

If you have to fold your kart down each time and you use it regularly, pod removal will slow setup/pack up time down a little and the windscreen clips will eventually suffer (silicon spray on the clips helps).

We now leave our podded karts assembled on short axles for convenience.

I think the pod is great but on short course is not as much benefit as a stiff mast.

On long runs, the pod helps top end speeds and is much more comfortable on wet runs. Upwind it has a definite advantage, but so does the Ultra Carbon.

The carbon base is only available as an Ultra Carbon now.

My two sons and I all run Ultra masts with a carbon second on top(no first and an extra 1/3 and the crane with the insert in the carbon second) and our weights vary from 60 to 90+kg. While Lachlan at 60kg has a bit more work to do to keep the wheels close to the ground, he still manages very well with the hard mast.

I jumped into one of the boys karts recently (with a pod) and could not work out why I couldn't get it to go as good as mine. When we were packing up and I took the sail off and I found the mast had been set up softer for some learners we had
out (It wasn't just me!).

I don't bother with cleaning bearings or balancing wheels. When you put a new tyre on, move it around until it is running smoothly on the rim. You may have to inflate and deflate it a few times to get it right. Lead weights can be glued into the spokes to balance the wheels.
Tyre pressure is very important. We run around 30-32 psi in the rears. Don't be tempted to max out the tyre pressure as blowouts and buckled wheels will be the result.
Front tyre pressure depends on the race surface. If the front is sliding out, let some air out. We run 25-30 psi in the standard wheels and 26-28 psi in the bigfoot. We mostly run on the beach.

I do recommend a good ratchet pulley (and they are legal in production as well). If you are spending the money, pay a bit more for the larger (around 60mm I think) pulley as they perform better and last longer.

The mast crane is still a mystery to me. We run them but others have said you can get some of the benefit by shortening the turban string to lift the sail up. Replacing the string with a shackle may help lift the sail.

For starters, I would buy a good ratchet pulley, then the Ultra base set (base and one third) and add the extra ultras as need and budget allows. Once you have those bits add the pod and enjoy the fun.

As all have said, get out and practice as that adds to the fun of having a blokart.

Darren
Barak BBB
Barak BBB
QLD
40 posts
QLD, 40 posts
29 Dec 2011 2:05pm
Regarding Pod vs mast Wayne proved the point in the last Yeppoon when he raced in perf without the pod but with a stiff mast ( not sure why - ask him ) and I'm sure he could have done better even on the short track
In the end of the day I'm sure you'll get the full Monty set up.
The nice thing is that Blokart is a one design so once you invested in all the goodies you are done spending .
Like Darren said invest in a good ratchet - it will pay off ( I prefer Harken gear after replacing a few ratchets )

Enjoy the "Dark side " as some call the performance karts class
Your Blokart grin will be wider !!

Ps anther thing to invest your money is on a GPS so you can monitor your progress ( I prefer Garmin Foretrex )
Andy B
Andy B
WA
130 posts
WA, 130 posts
30 Dec 2011 1:11am
My two cents worth.
With out a doubt the single MOST IMPORTANT! thing before anything else is sail shape and your battens and a ultra carbon mast are fundamentally the most important components to your Blokart, both these two items determine the sail shape, get that right and then get a pod, everything else will fall into place.
I experimented racing with carbon and no pod against a kart with a pod and glass, we swapped around karts and there was no comparison the carbon beat the pod hands down.
Forget any glass /carbon combination, go fully ultra carbon all the way and get rid of the top section and use the second section as your top, you can't have too stiffer mast with the Blokart sectional mast.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
30 Dec 2011 4:38pm
Andy B said...
Forget any glass /carbon combination, go fully ultra carbon all the way and get rid of the top section and use the second section as your top, you can't have too stiffer mast with the Blokart sectional mast.



I think you are on the money there Andy however I think using a second section as top gives only a very marginal benefit if any.

One thing to watch with blokarts is manufacturing tolerances.

I have seen a 3m sail that would out perform almost any 4m sail in all but light conditions.

Also with masts, if you buy a complete new mast, check the fit of the sections to each other before you use it and if they are not satisfactory, send it back.

I have had mast sections where the fit was so tight they would jam together and I had to sand the spigot with emery to ease the fit. Then I have seen masts with such sloppy fits between sections that the mast had a built in 4 to 6 inch lay off.

I suspect a kart with snug fitting f/g sections could sail as well as another with sloppy fitting carbon sections.

cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
30 Dec 2011 4:40pm
Just out of curiosity, has anybody sailed a blokart with a one piece mast??
Andy B
Andy B
WA
130 posts
WA, 130 posts
4 Jan 2012 9:49pm
We have one guy who sails with a windsurfer one piece mast, he is always at the back of the field but I think he sails for the pleasure of it more than competition
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
5 Jan 2012 9:11pm
souds like its time to get the wallet out
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
6 Jan 2012 2:05am
Andy B said...

We have one guy who sails with a windsurfer one piece mast, he is always at the back of the field but I think he sails for the pleasure of it more than competition


He sounds like my kind of guy.

It is the same kind of thinking that is the reason I would buy this great racing yacht to go cruising.

You either understand it or you do not.



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