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Hey there guys and girls!
I have spent an inordinate amount of time listening to reps talking about the quality of respective boards and thought I would toss this little one out there.
Old bloke, 100kg,
Small to med surf with the odd trip to Impossibles Bali.
McTavish or Naish 10'
Can anyone give me an apples w apples comparison pls?
M
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IMO, forget the McT.
Your choice should be the Mana or Whopper.
Starboard Whopper being 10' x 34 x 4.13 / Mana being 10 x 32 x 4 3/4
So, do you want extra width for stability in bump or thickness for float and glide.
They both rip.
Jump on the Starboard web page and read thru some forum comments on the Whopper - very impressive, big guy, older guy, big surf and small.....the weight is amazing for the size !
All on Seabreeze who have the Mana love it, including me but I've found as a novice that a bigger fin makes a big difference (I have a 9 inch dolphin in it) so get out on both and test them.
With all due respect to McT - I'm sure they are good but they've jumped on the band wagon and IMHO, not in the class or having the experience of the other two.
(Not bagging them, Redline best logger I have ever owned, just with SUP's they appear to have cashed in)....and don't castigate me for that comment, just an opinion.
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Thanks for the thoughts - got a McT and Bennett board so have an emotional attachment but keen to hear what those who ride have to say!
Will have a look at the Starboard and report back on how many times I fall off the McT
M
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If you're looking at the Whopper from Star-board then from what I've read, you might like to consider their new Hero as well - 9.0' x 33".
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Thats a newie!
Are they New South available?
Tad concerned about droppping from 11' down to 9 but its the distribution of kegs v glide I guess?
M
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If you're a 100kg old bloke I reckon the 10' Mana would be perfect for you.. You should demo the Mana and Whopper and do your own comparo..  .
I'm also not sure about the McTavish but I've heard that they're pretty stable but it wouldn't be as stable as the Mana and Whopper.
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This is the Starboard blurb on the Hero...
"The Hero opens waveriding to everybody. It redefines what is possible for heavier SUP riders to experience in the waves. Unparalleled stability in a board of this length, with turnability defying its 33 inches of width. A board so easy to surf that you will become an instant super hero. "
Take that with a grain of salt until someone gets to try one. I think they won't be in the country for at least 3 weeks but don't quote me on that.
Having said all that, I have never heard a bad word spoken about the Mana. Everyone who owns one loves it.
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The score so far!
McT - 60 mins on flat water - bit of onshore and a few tinnies zipping around.
Def a tad slippery, 50% of time falling in water and laughing - me less than the 30 odd people on the sand!
More tomorrow - McT and manybe try to scam a Naish
M
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Hey Marcus,
I rode the Mana (mine) and the Whopper today which was great to jump between the two in the same conditions.
Whopper first, so stable - you'd never fall off - weight great, paddled onto small waves with absolute ease and that's with the small standard centre fin and G7 size stabilisers.......good speed in the pocket and turned on a dime, was totally impressed with the Whopper !
The Mana felt good as usual - a tad less stable but still good. Felt higher on the water - thickness felt for sure. Paddled onto waves good, did everything as you'd expect from a brilliant board.
I think if it were 1-3 foot, bumpy or some surface chop, Whopper would be the board of choice. Good waves, 3-6 foot or waves of consequence, the Mana would be the pick.
As for the McTavish, have not ridden it and can't find room for it with these two.
If your down my way (ie, Cronulla to Wollongong, welcome to ride my Mana).  |
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Hi Marcus,
You should enjoy the McTavish 10' if you are buying a board for Sup in the surf, The stability is there with the fuller rail and with the guys riding the samples before production Bob really nailed these designs.
Enjoy your McTavish and get on the band wagon-you will be stoked!
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Agree
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Good morning CT,
Will def be down your way week after next - got one of the nfp orgs doing repairs n stuff in the Housing NSW places so will either toss in a demo (not the Mana or Whopper) and see what happens! Will try and grab on of the Twycross glass ones too!
Bit of swell rolling into Queensie, cooler and off for coffee!
M
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If you want a fun and cruisey board that will allow you to catch a few waves without wanting to work too hard to stay upright in most conditions then the whopper is pretty much bombproof in the stability/surfability stakes BUT if you want a serious surfing sup that will challenge you and reward you with insane performance and allow you to ride a bigger range of waves and get much longer rides in smaller and fatter surf, and also paddle really well in the flat then the whopper and mana are not in the league of the McT 10.0 (IMO). I believe the McT is a true performance sup with allround capabilities whereas the other two are perhaps good allround fun sups for bigger riders. I guess you just have to ride them all and decide what you want out of the board. And just to qualify - I have only had a very quick paddle in the flat and a couple of small waves on the mana but have surfed/paddled the whopper and the 10 Mct on a couple of occasions.
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billboard said...
If you want a fun and cruisey board that will allow you to catch a few waves without wanting to work too hard to stay upright in most conditions then the whopper is pretty much bombproof in the stability/surfability stakes BUT if you want a serious surfing sup that will challenge you and reward you with insane performance and allow you to ride a bigger range of waves and get much longer rides in smaller and fatter surf, and also paddle really well in the flat then the whopper and mana are not in the league of the McT 10.0 (IMO). I believe the McT is a true performance sup with allround capabilities whereas the other two are perhaps good allround fun sups for bigger riders. I guess you just have to ride them all and decide what you want out of the board. And just to qualify - I have only had a very quick paddle in the flat and a couple of small waves on the mana but have surfed/paddled the whopper and the 10 Mct on a couple of occasions.
Riding a board in the flat water or on 1ft waves is not testing a board, so then to say a board is not in the league of another on that is plain stupid. I have seen plenty of guys riding the whopper and mana better than i have ever seen anyone ride a mcT.
Its interesting that mcT use flyer's on there boards and hardly anybody else does. Me i would not buy one mainly because i would hate to pay that much for a GSI board. i had a NSP and it was a piece of **** told myself i would never go back to them.
Why not go to your local or some one who has shaped SUP's for a while
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yoda said...
billboard said...
If you want a fun and cruisey board that will allow you to catch a few waves without wanting to work too hard to stay upright in most conditions then the whopper is pretty much bombproof in the stability/surfability stakes BUT if you want a serious surfing sup that will challenge you and reward you with insane performance and allow you to ride a bigger range of waves and get much longer rides in smaller and fatter surf, and also paddle really well in the flat then the whopper and mana are not in the league of the McT 10.0 (IMO). I believe the McT is a true performance sup with allround capabilities whereas the other two are perhaps good allround fun sups for bigger riders. I guess you just have to ride them all and decide what you want out of the board. And just to qualify - I have only had a very quick paddle in the flat and a couple of small waves on the mana but have surfed/paddled the whopper and the 10 Mct on a couple of occasions.
Riding a board in the flat water or on 1ft waves is not testing a board, so then to say a board is not in the league of another on that is plain stupid. I have seen plenty of guys riding the whopper and mana better than i have ever seen anyone ride a mcT.
Its interesting that mcT use flyer's on there boards and hardly anybody else does. Me i would not buy one mainly because i would hate to pay that much for a GSI board. i had a NSP and it was a piece of **** told myself i would never go back to them.
Why not go to your local or some one who has shaped SUP's for a while
Matey I am just stating my own personal opinion about the boards and I can only rate a board based on the conditions that I try it in. Whether you think my thoughts are stupid or not is of little consequence to me really - they are my thoughts and feelings and not designed to influence anybody. I have also owned an NSP and thought it was a great board - maybe it was just a bit advanced for you at the time you were riding it.
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not so much the performance of the board even though it was pretty average more the quality is what peed me of.
Sorry mate but you seem to ride so many boards i doubt you know what feels good and what is average anymore IMO..dont take that the wrong way but if you test as many as you do then who knows what you are feeling. You also do no there are more boards out there than just the ones Greenline sell dont you!!!
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Marcus - just to clarify - it is my personal opinion, from what I have tried and seen that the Mctavish may be a more performance oriented sup for more progressive surfing whereas the mano may be a more stable and forgiving sup for less than perfect conditions. The quality of both boards seems to be excellent and everyone I have spoken to who owns both boards seem to be very happy with them. Whichever board you decide on I am sure you will be very very happy with it.
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billboard said...
If you want a fun and cruisey board that will allow you to catch a few waves without wanting to work too hard to stay upright in most conditions then the whopper is pretty much bombproof in the stability/surfability stakes BUT if you want a serious surfing sup that will challenge you and reward you with insane performance and allow you to ride a bigger range of waves and get much longer rides in smaller and fatter surf, and also paddle really well in the flat then the whopper and mana are not in the league of the McT 10.0 (IMO). I believe the McT is a true performance sup with allround capabilities whereas the other two are perhaps good allround fun sups for bigger riders. I guess you just have to ride them all and decide what you want out of the board. And just to qualify - I have only had a very quick paddle in the flat and a couple of small waves on the mana but have surfed/paddled the whopper and the 10 Mct on a couple of occasions.
Right on Billboard McT comes from a stable of Surfing not Windsurfing .enough said
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yoda said...
Its interesting that mcT use flyer's on there boards and hardly anybody else does.
Maybe Bobs a pioneer and not a sheep like the others 
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Right on Billboard McT comes from a stable of Surfing not Windsurfing .enough said
I was going to say that Bob's SUP boards look a bit like the windsurfing boards that he used to make.. and I used to ride.. 
btw.. I had some epic days windsurfing with Bob at Flat Rock..
DJ
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OK guys
Have now fallen off the Naish and the McT and hopefully will see the Whopper tomorrow.
I seem to get the feeling that, other than it's my choice that for a complete newbie with abs no board surfing in 20 odd that the possible progression from the original 11'6 glass sup could be Whopper- Mana in the 10 and then shorter to the 9ish? leaving the McT as the more experienced weapon of choice?
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MarcusMD said...
OK guys
Have now fallen off the Naish and the McT and hopefully will see the Whopper tomorrow.
I seem to get the feeling that, other than it's my choice that for a complete newbie with abs no board surfing in 20 odd that the possible progression from the original 11'6 glass sup could be Whopper- Mana in the 10 and then shorter to the 9ish? leaving the McT as the more experienced weapon of choice?
You'll be amazed how well the whopper goes!! where abouts in NSW are you?? I have one for sale!
Matt
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Hi my first post.Need help !
I decided to start with SUP and looking for some advices.
WA, Perth
92 kg 1.80 no surf experience , freestyle windsurf experience.
I would like to buy a performer board and learn from zero instead of buying a beginner than intermediate...in 6 months or 1year time
Perth has often short small waves (1m).
I had a look around and I liked the Coreban Performer 9'6" reviews.
Thanks for your advices
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ribert said...
Hi my first post.Need help !
I decided to start with SUP and looking for some advices.
WA, Perth
92 kg 1.80 no surf experience , freestyle windsurf experience.
I would like to buy a performer board and learn from zero instead of buying a beginner than intermediate...in 6 months or 1year time
Perth has often short small waves (1m).
I had a look around and I liked the Coreban Performer 9'6" reviews.
Thanks for your advices
I've got a story for you. I recently invited an old friend who's a windsurfer turned SUPer, to join me at the Naish demo taking place here. My friend has been SUPing for 2 years now, but still hasn't learned to surf waves with his SUP because he's a big guy and gets very little time on the water. He jumped on the Naish 9'5 Mano and immediately had the best session of surfing he's ever had.
I too, tried the 9'5 and was blown away by how much fun it was. So I'd say it meets your requirements. It's easy for a struggling surfer and equally fun for someone like myself. BTW, we both ordered 9'5s after the demo.
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Thanks NC,
I will start searching best prices here in WA,
what about the paddle ?
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ribert said...
Thanks NC,
I will start searching best prices here in WA,
what about the paddle ?
You won't find anyone who agrees on paddle choice. They all work.
If I were to comment on common newbie mistakes when choosing a paddle, I'd say avoid heavy ones and avoid large blades. Experienced SUPers favor light weight and smaller blades.
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NC Surfer said...
Thanks NC,
I will start searching best prices here in WA,
what about the paddle ?
You won't find anyone who agrees on paddle choice. They all work.
If I were to comment on common newbie mistakes when choosing a paddle, I'd say avoid heavy ones and avoid large blades. Experienced SUPers favor light weight and smaller blades.
I totally agree with NC, my other suggestion is choose your length carefully as too long a paddle has caused many a supper serious grief. There will be many opinions on the subject but 4 - 6 inches over your head is a good place to start in the surf and 2 -3 inches longer on the flat water.
One thing I do know is you about to have serious FUN!
Phill
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