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NSW
117 Posts
Posted 31/5/2012, 2:13 pm        Report
United States
47 Posts
Posted 31/5/2012, 2:29 pm        Report
I saw a formula board, a 550cm mast and a 12.5m sail a few weeks ago at a shop. The board was the size of a door. I chuckled when I saw it, I didn't expect it to be that big. The mast and sail were about two stories high. The sails were hanging from the ceiling and the mast were put together. Not sure if it would fit in the jeep but I'd love to try it some day.
NSW
396 Posts
Posted 31/5/2012, 2:50 pm        Report
I agree, after almost 3 years learning on slalom boards I also got a formula kit and I love it. It gives you that powered up feeling of trucking along when on a sloalom board it would be marginal. Also the ability to vary the sailing angles more upwind and downwind adds to the experience. As far as space I carry the formula and slalom kits on a Daewoo Matiz, which is one of the smallest cars you can get in australia.
WA
2522 Posts
Posted 31/5/2012, 2:54 pm        Report
Got myself a 2nd hand starboard formula and I enjoy sailing when the others are waiting for the wind to pickup......!
NSW
6402 Posts
Posted 31/5/2012, 4:31 pm        Report
I'm a bit worried about dropping such a big sail and never being able to either water start or uphauling it and busting my back in the process. Formula windsurfing does look like fun though. I wouldn't mind an older formula board with a slightly smaller fin than 70cms and a sail of about 9m. Just for getting going in lighter winds.
NSW
768 Posts
Posted 31/5/2012, 10:31 pm        Report
Sounds good to me. I know nothing about formula boards, so could you put on a more manageble sized sail (say around 7 meters) and still plan in light winds around 8-12 knots? I'll happily go out on my 116 lt board and 6.6 sail in 10 knots, if only to keep the muscles working, get practice tacking and slow gybing and enjoying the freedom and scenary, but if I could plan in those winds I'd be stoked. I would happily grab an old formula board if a cheap one came up. The kids would have a ball cruisng around also.
NSW
458 Posts
Posted 1/6/2012, 5:50 am        Report
You can put a smaller sail on a formula board and still get going in light winds. By smaller I mean around a 8-8.5. You will be able to plan and reach (go back and forth) but you need bigger for racing. For racing you want to go upwind and deep down wind and need lots of power. For that you need 10m+ depending on how heavy you are. I weigh 65kgs and only really need a 10m for most of the formula racing we do in NSW. I bring out a 9m if we are racing in 20+kts. I use an easy uphaul and can lift the sail in any winds. As the board is so wide you'd be surprised on how little you actually fall.
NSW
396 Posts
Posted 1/6/2012, 5:55 am        Report
From my experience I need 11/12 knots with the 10.0 to get planing. I cannot pump and weight 80 kg + gear. I don't think a small sail would work in light winds because of the large wetted surface of the board and the straps position.
NSW
6402 Posts
Posted 1/6/2012, 6:16 am        Report
powersloshin said...
From my experience I need 11/12 knots with the 10.0 to get planing. I cannot pump and weight 80 kg + gear. I don't think a small sail would work in light winds because of the large wetted surface of the board and the straps position.
Would not the larger wetted area also mean there is more volume and planing area with potential lift?
WA
153 Posts
Posted 1/6/2012, 6:52 am        Report
Mobydisc said...
powersloshin said...
From my experience I need 11/12 knots with the 10.0 to get planing. I cannot pump and weight 80 kg + gear. I don't think a small sail would work in light winds because of the large wetted surface of the board and the straps position.
Would not the larger wetted area also mean there is more volume and planing area with potential lift?
gotta have the grunt though to get past the extra drag
NSW
4674 Posts
Posted 1/6/2012, 9:08 am        Report
Mobydisc said...
powersloshin said...
From my experience I need 11/12 knots with the 10.0 to get planing. I cannot pump and weight 80 kg + gear. I don't think a small sail would work in light winds because of the large wetted surface of the board and the straps position.
Would not the larger wetted area also mean there is more volume and planing area with potential lift?
In my experience, I have been able to switch my 7.5m from a 130L freeride board to my formula board when the wind has dropped enough to stop me planing, and the formula board will happily plane. You won't be able to go deep downwind, or straight up wind, but that's not what I wanted it for. I even cut a 70cm down to 62-65cm to get a bit more clearance, and it worked fine.
WA
324 Posts
Posted 1/6/2012, 9:20 am        Report
Here is another good article and site if your are interested in Formula http://www.windsurfingtour.com/?p=4993
VIC
496 Posts
Posted 1/6/2012, 9:39 am        Report
Mobydisc said “I'm a bit worried about dropping such a big sail and never being able to either water start or uphauling it and busting my back in the process.” And the correct answer is: Easy Uphaul, http://www.chinooksailing.com/products/product_info.php?products_id=146. (Should be available from your local windsurf shop). Powersloshin said: “From my experience I need 11/12 knots with the 10.0 to get planing. I cannot pump and weight 80 kg + gear. I don't think a small sail would work in light winds because of the large wetted surface of the board and the straps position”. And one of the correct answers is: Rider 78kg, AHD GT85 (85cm wide, 62cm wide OFO), 144 L, 62 cm upright fin, 7.5m cammed sail, AO, carbon boom. Easily planing in an accurately-measured 10 knts. Another of the correct answers is: “It's how you tune your gear”.
WA
2075 Posts
Posted 1/6/2012, 12:19 pm        Report
I prefer the feel of a 7.5m to 8.0m on a 85cm wide early planer than a monstrously heavy 9m or 10m/formula board. It won't get you going quite as early as a formula board/huge sail, but much more feel and topspeed across the wind. Negative outhaul key to getting going early,sail should be touching other side of boom,still need decent downhaul if wind above 13 knots. Sailed Wednesday in a moderate easterly,averaging around 14knots. Jasper was on 82cm wide F2,7.9M and 44cm carbon volt,was planing in around 12 knots. A light weight could have got this combo going in around 10 knots.
NSW
6402 Posts
Posted 1/6/2012, 1:52 pm        Report
Actually I think 10 to 12 knots of wind is stronger than what I thought it was. Last Saturday I went windsurfing and thought it was very windy and I'd rig a small sail. I took out the wind meter I recently purchased. The wind was averaging about 15 knots, gusting a bit over 20 and down to about 5. Typical westerly. Fortunately the wind did fill in as the day progressed.
WA
2075 Posts
Posted 1/6/2012, 5:18 pm        Report
If we all stopped knocking off family blocks of chocolate,crisps,take-away,coke and especially beer, we wouldn't need any bigger than 7.5m. Formula windsurfing has benefited from the obese epidemic and will further progress. Get back to nature and consume whole foods such as fruit,veg and nuts .If you are strong enough willed you can do it!
WA
15849 Posts
Posted 1/6/2012, 5:37 pm        Report
petermac33 said...
If we all stopped knocking off family blocks of chocolate,crisps,take-away,coke and especially beer, we wouldn't need any bigger than 7.5m. Formula windsurfing has benefited from the obese epidemic and will further progress. Get back to nature and consume whole foods such as fruit,veg and nuts .If you are strong enough willed you can do it!
Jeepers Pete do you dibble all your crap to everyone? No wonder you dont get a root!! Go watch the TV and drink some coke for sh!t sake!!!
WA
2075 Posts
Posted 1/6/2012, 6:17 pm        Report
Go watch the TV and drink some coke for sh!t sake!!!
I try give the TV a miss,only drink pepsi when depressed about lack of wind.
WA
197 Posts
Posted 1/6/2012, 6:19 pm        Report
petermac33 said...
If we all stopped knocking off family blocks of chocolate,crisps,take-away,coke and especially beer, we wouldn't need any bigger than 7.5m. Formula windsurfing has benefited from the obese epidemic and will further progress. Get back to nature and consume whole foods such as fruit,veg and nuts .If you are strong enough willed you can do it!
You are full of sh1t,Formula is great fun and does not cater for any specific body shape,maybe you need to lift some weights and stop using kids rigs !!
WA
2075 Posts
Posted 1/6/2012, 6:48 pm        Report
Any gear that gets you out on the water is fun and healthy. Just find with formula gear,there is quite a small window of wind,8-14 knots when it's only really enjoyable. Above 14 knots prefer smaller gear.then the added hassle of carrying large gear in your car.
NSW
458 Posts
Posted 1/6/2012, 7:33 pm        Report
The 8-14 knot window is quite common in NSW throughout the year. Probably why there are more formula sailors over here than in other states.
QLD
428 Posts
Posted 1/6/2012, 8:35 pm        Report
I'll stick up for you Peter... I guess if want to go down the 8-12knots needing to plane, then your really looking at two sports. 'sail' boarding v 'wind' surfing Under 12 knots I can Sup sail and teach others, or even go for a SUP to keep fit. Rather save my $$ and use that for a 'windy' destination holiday! Regardless of the sail and board size and $$$ 70cm fin in around here is impossible!, 36cm is hard enough. If Formula was attractive more would do it, its been around long enough to prove its not, size and cost would be the biggest reasons why its not.
WA
130 Posts
Posted 1/6/2012, 10:39 pm        Report
petermac33 said...
If we all stopped knocking off family blocks of chocolate,crisps,take-away,coke and especially beer, we wouldn't need any bigger than 7.5m. Formula windsurfing has benefited from the obese epidemic and will further progress. Get back to nature and consume whole foods such as fruit,veg and nuts .If you are strong enough willed you can do it!
What a load of dogs bollocks. People are using formula boards in WA lately because there have been less days of decent wind (above 15-20 knots) for the past two seasons. Its got jack to do with how much anyone weighs. I haven't seen you on the water when I've been planing on my formula board (and I know I weigh more than you). Where were you? Probably sitting on the beach complaining about a lack of sailable wind for your 7.5m.
WA
790 Posts
Posted 1/6/2012, 10:46 pm        Report
Mobydisc said...
I'm a bit worried about dropping such a big sail and never being able to either water start or uphauling it and busting my back in the process. Formula windsurfing does look like fun though. I wouldn't mind an older formula board with a slightly smaller fin than 70cms and a sail of about 9m. Just for getting going in lighter winds.
Moby, the purists may tell you it doesn't work with a small sail, downforce required from a big sail etc... I think that for racing = yes, you need the big sails as you are cranking tight angles upwind and deep angles off the wind. BUT... if you just want to extend your time on water (like me) without paying a truckload of money then formula gear is the way to go. I have used a 7.8m and had heaps of fun. just put the mast track further forward than the big sails. I've had a go with a 6.4 in super gusty conditions, great laugh, and yes the board left the water once. I have even taken my five year old out, two up, with a 5.3 wave sail and jagged a gust to get on the plane. Awesome. All with the stock fin. And with the 11m I can pump onto the plane when there is very little wind and experience the joy of sailing on really flat water and go exploring. All up, I am super stoked that I bought formula gear, heaps more time on water. You would have heaps of fun with a 9m and an old formula board and maybe a 56-60 fin to start with so your legs don't burn too bad.
VIC
682 Posts
Posted 2/6/2012, 7:02 am        Report
I tried the JP suer light wind and loved it! only thing is Invy isn't deep enough for a formula board unless you go out the other side of the sandbar. On holidays a couple years ago I caught up with the Lake Maquarie crew as well as watching a round of the NSW formula champs at Jervis Bay. They all got off the water quick smart when the lightening started! Looks like a great event, the NSW crew have got their **** together!
Canada
354 Posts
Posted 2/6/2012, 7:27 am        Report
my issue(s) with formula sailboarding is money and too long of a fin do have a 10-oh , but NO formula board instead I went with a Fanatic Ultra CAT longboard that cost me next to nothing i have adjusted the universal mast base to take the bit from the CAT now I can come in when the wind drops and swap the same sail to the CAT most of the time this is my 8-oh as a heavyweight in lighter winds, the MS-2 8-oh free-race sail is my most used sail the CAT can plane in 10 to 15 knots and after that it is an AHD FF 160/79 and thus I am covered from 10 to 20 knots with just this equipment the 10-oh goes on the longboard that planes well at 10 knots and glides well in 8 unfortunately, it is getting VERY difficult and $$$ to get a new longboard %^&*() there are plenty of new and interesting designs - Exocet , AHD , etc
NSW
4674 Posts
Posted 2/6/2012, 10:42 am        Report
echunda said...
I tried the JP suer light wind and loved it! only thing is Invy isn't deep enough for a formula board unless you go out the other side of the sandbar. On holidays a couple years ago I caught up with the Lake Maquarie crew as well as watching a round of the NSW formula champs at Jervis Bay. They all got off the water quick smart when the lightening started! Looks like a great event, the NSW crew have got their **** together!
Think 'really big weed fin'. They look strange, but prevent that sudden stop if its shallow.
 
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