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How many Windsurf Waylers are there ?

Created by joe windsurf > 9 months ago, 13 May 2012
joe windsurf
893 posts
> 9 months ago, 13 May 2012
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hey:

read , heard and saw photos of the "original" Wayler where the "keel" was slung over the shoulder, etc
just recently in Canada saw an advert for a Wayler that barely resembled the "original"
seemed to have less liters and more planing oriented

comments ??

can't ask on the lbwindsurf forum - they are still down :-(

Chris 249
ACT, 1026 posts
> 9 months ago, 13 May 2012
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I'm not sure how many models Wayler made. There was the original, the Ypsi
( a rather nice funboard) and probably 6-10 more at least. The one you are looking at could well be the Ypsi, which was (I think) 11' long and had stingers and a squashtail.

LBWS is a volunteer site and Rob works hard to keep it up - it should be back soon.

Cheers

Simon100
QLD, 401 posts
> 9 months ago, 13 May 2012
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do you have a picture of this

jh2703
NSW, 1125 posts
> 9 months ago, 13 May 2012
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Isn't wayling illegal?.....Plus I think It would be rather hard to do on a windsurfer.



.....sorry been drinking after a big day on the water

joe windsurf
893 posts
> 9 months ago, 13 May 2012
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this is what i call the "original"
montreal.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-sporting-goods-exercise-water-sports-PLANCHE-WINDSURFER-A-VENDRE-W0QQAdIdZ378424562

this is the "other model"
montreal.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-sporting-goods-exercise-water-sports-planche-a-voile-W0QQAdIdZ379133323

thx !!
and NO more windsurfing, drinking and then posting :-)

fjdoug
ACT, 348 posts
> 9 months ago, 13 May 2012
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the first one is a windsurfer onedesign, the later model with a retractable centreboard, the original had a centre board you had to pull out and sling over your shoulder.

the second board is a wayler breeze, Ed Angulo design made of polyethelyne.

the windsurfer onedesign would be the better of the two, and is still produced today.

anabol
12 posts
> 9 months ago, 14 May 2012
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Can only vouch for the Ypsi model, which was a great board for fun, bit of speed and freestyle. Breeze: ???.

First one is nowhere a Ypsi, just a traditional 1D.
Watch out, the early Mylar one-design sails that old usually delaminate very quickly. This one seems to be an 1986 (AJ...).

joe windsurf
893 posts
> 9 months ago, 14 May 2012
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thanks for the info.
i am well aware of the "crappy" older sails
currently use more modern sails on the older boards like BIC Dufour and Fanatic Ultra CAT
the MS-2 8-oh free-race sail with tight leech works well !!!
just was curious about these boards
especially the one still in the bag :-)
what would that be worth ??
ie brand new "old original Wayler" ??

Troyrotor
QLD, 318 posts
> 9 months ago, 14 May 2012
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No joke I found one of those originals in the mangroves yesterday on stradbroke.
It was plastic but had big damage to the bottom where the plastic had cracked off.
Centre board slot straight up and down but I didn't notice any holes for straps

pierrec45
NSW, 1997 posts
> 9 months ago, 14 May 2012
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Wouldn't touch a non-Ypsi with a barge pole - too much of a blind date.

The Windsurfer: only if sail was mint, even then it will die on you shortly, and $200 is a lot for a single board...
BTW, if you can fit a new sail on a nice 1985+ board with centerboard, then you can too on an old $50 1D Windsurfer board. The shape is 100% the same, so is the mast socket.

Only diff is the centerboard, which don't matter naught...

Good luck.

Chris 249
ACT, 1026 posts
> 9 months ago, 14 May 2012
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If that One Design was down here it would have gone within minutes at that price.

joe windsurf
893 posts
> 9 months ago, 14 May 2012
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that was my point
it is all about supply and demand
there are races with these boards in different parts of the world
and original equipment is priceless !!! if NEW

pierrec45
NSW, 1997 posts
> 9 months ago, 14 May 2012
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joe windsurf said...

that was my point
it is all about supply and demand
there are races with these boards in different parts of the world
and original equipment is priceless !!! if NEW

Well, since I straddle both places...

Joe you can get brand new from Original Windsurfer the company (Ted S.).
It's the Aussie-designed version, comes with a sailable rig, unlike these old things.
It's not the shape that's wrong, the mast often crack after so many years, and the Mylar will have come off, invariably.

They are not priceless - board will last forever, the rest not.
Look up the Original, and you're set with a board that'll take you 5-25 knots, for many years.

IMO, etc.

oldie
VIC, 356 posts
> 9 months ago, 16 May 2012
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fjdoug said...

the first one is a windsurfer onedesign, the later model with a retractable centreboard, the original had a centre board you had to pull out and sling over your shoulder.

the second board is a wayler breeze, Ed Angulo design made of polyethelyne.

the windsurfer onedesign would be the better of the two, and is still produced today.


Hard to believe tha Windsurfer would not update the latest version, beyond keepin the original length, width etc. Who can let the cat out of the bag?
Joe, an unwrapped oldie is usually unsailed because it is amongst the 95 percent of inefficient, unresponsive models like those produced for "Olympic OD" (changed every year), that must have been designed by a committee of yachties on the slops.


Chris 249
ACT, 1026 posts
> 9 months ago, 16 May 2012
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oldie said...

fjdoug said...

the first one is a windsurfer onedesign, the later model with a retractable centreboard, the original had a centre board you had to pull out and sling over your shoulder.

the second board is a wayler breeze, Ed Angulo design made of polyethelyne.

the windsurfer onedesign would be the better of the two, and is still produced today.


Hard to believe tha Windsurfer would not update the latest version, beyond keepin the original length, width etc. Who can let the cat out of the bag?
Joe, an unwrapped oldie is usually unsailed because it is amongst the 95 percent of inefficient, unresponsive models like those produced for "Olympic OD" (changed every year), that must have been designed by a committee of yachties on the slops.



What a load of rubbish.

The Windsurfer OD was not produced for Olympic yachting so it has no link with them. Nor is it unresponsive - the small fin allows it to turn rings around other boards a lot of the time, and it can still hit 25+ knots on GPS even in conditions that are far from ideal.

The last two times the Windsurfer OD nationals have been in Victoria, they have raced alongside other boards. The first time it blew like stink and one of Victoria's top speed sailors got beaten by Windsurfer ODs in a race around the island at Paynesville.

Last time, the North Sails One Hour was won by the same Windsurfer One Design (still using the same sail about 4 years later by the way) against a fleet of SUPs, slalom boards, Formula boards (IIRC) and a Raceboard, in totally different conditions to the earlier race.

The One Design may be slow in medium winds, but it's certainly not inefficient (it's incredibly efficient for its cost, durability, sail area or versatility) or unresponsive.

No class of Olympic dinghy or cat was designed by a committee apart from the Laser, the most popular boat in the world - and only the most arrogant would assume that the thousands of Laser sailors don't know how to choose a good boat.

And why update the latest (C '84) Windsurfer dramatically? It would do little apart from making the existing boards uncompetitive.

oldie
VIC, 356 posts
> 9 months ago, 17 May 2012
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Many longish boards from kerbsides have sailed and thrown away the next day.
Is probably the point that I floundered to make.
But now I hark back to Chris telling me that modern sails are a compromise on old longboards, and I refuse to fiddle with the original equipment, so am no doubt often missing some sublties.

"And why update the latest (C '84) Windsurfer dramatically? It would do little apart from making the existing boards uncompetitive."

Because the WOD seems to be the ultimate funboard, as well as a race craft.
I might have to make the next version, myself, sed little red hen..

pierrec45
NSW, 1997 posts
> 9 months ago, 17 May 2012
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"Joe, an unwrapped oldie is usually unsailed because it is amongst the 95 percent of inefficient"

Is it just me or I'm having problems parsing this statement.

To start with, I don't see how a board can be 95% inefficient - all boards have strengths and weaknesses, depending on criteria and wind.

I don't see how the old WOD format can be totally useless: in those days, millions learned on this equipment, I would say easily half of all sailors before 84 or 85 learned on or used one - that's when the sport was much bigger than now. Learning on those boards seldom failed, all serious learners ended up sailing after a few tries, simple as that.

I do not know many people who bought them and did not unwrap them, and few people then were disappointed with their initial purchases - they simply moved on to more modern, specific equipment over time.

Even today, the WOD format, either with old sails or newer ones, is a board that achieves a coverage from 5 knots to 25. Not excelling at any particular knottage, but great coverage if one wants to sail a lot and afford only one board.

oldie
VIC, 356 posts
> 9 months ago, 18 May 2012
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"How many Windsurf Waylers are there ?"
Well, there is one racked at the local yacht club, never seen it sailed even once in 5 years.
This is my point, if it was a WOD it would be out every Sunday with the Tackers.
I had an original 380cm IMCO which looked like it was on the water only a couple of times with a miniature sail, the Olympic sail was unwrapped. After salvaging it's retracting fin, it gets an ignominius burial in the bush, not even rating a tip fee.

Ah, but the ballet of the WODs in the lightest of winds indicates that they worthy of some special attention. I envision a series of flexible body kits to convert them for different roles: Wide shark skin tail for earlir planing, wider midpoint for uncoordinated beginner lessons, concaves for flat water speed, vee for upwind railing, and most important of all, psychodelic skins to wow the women.

...retreats to finish off bottle of fine wine...

fjdoug
ACT, 348 posts
> 9 months ago, 19 May 2012
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hey oldie, that mistral was never an Olympic board, but it was probably the most popular one-design anything ever built. biggest problem round here was they were twice the price of the locally made wally.

siny
ACT, 255 posts
> 9 months ago, 19 May 2012
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How many windsurf Waylers are ther ?
About the same amout as there are ford Holden's

Bondalucci
VIC, 1482 posts
> 9 months ago, 19 May 2012
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As far as I know, this was the original Wayler. (pre footstraps)
Bought one brand new in 1982.
$900 from Trigger bros.
Came with a geeky 5.9 sail that had a slogan printed across it saying
"Happiness is a hand held sail" hmmmm.


The Breeze and YPSI came later, with footstraps.

They also had a cool looking (for its day) short board called a Wayler Fencer.



Ben Severne
WA, 191 posts
> 9 months ago, 19 May 2012
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Bondalucci said...

As far as I know, this was the original Wayler. (pre footstraps)
Bought one brand new in 1982.
$900 from Trigger bros.
Came with a geeky 5.9 sail that had a slogan printed across it saying
"Happiness is a hand held sail" hmmmm.


The Breeze and YPSI came later, with footstraps.

They also had a cool looking (for its day) short board called a Wayler Fencer.



My dad had a Ypsi. I tried to sail it a couple of times - couldn't get the rig out of the water!

keef
NSW, 1923 posts
> 9 months ago, 19 May 2012
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Ben Severne said...

Bondalucci said...





My dad had a Ypsi. I tried to sail it a couple of times - couldn't get the rig out of the water!

mmmmmmmmmm the penny has dropped , that's why your in the sail making business


oldie
VIC, 356 posts
> 9 months ago, 19 May 2012
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It seems that no matter how crumby a board was, people learned to overcome their shortcomings and sail them well. But maybe the IMCOs which they lusted after ahead of the Windsurfer were later models than my 1974 log.
Sails for 25 years were considered most efficient if they were attached to the centre of the mast ! The RAF was discovered by serendipity when sails got wrapped around the mast after a gybe! They were then called a wrong-un of something....
Nobody is experimenting with slotted sails.. we deserve to have the teabaggers boosting over us!

oldie
VIC, 356 posts
> 9 months ago, 23 May 2012
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fjdoug said...

hey oldie, that mistral was never an Olympic board, but it was probably the most popular one-design anything ever built. biggest problem round here was they were twice the price of the locally made wally.

Thanks, they seem to rely on monster centreboard rather than daggerboard plus rail for upwinding. Sail handling very critical without centreboard.
Ypsi sounds interesting. Were there other brands that looked like it?

From USA:

"Here is a list of the "best seller" list which shows the wayler as the top board in 1983
Wind Power's 23 Year, Best Sellers List:

1983 – 1985 Wayler polyethelen longboard w/6.0 non batten dacron sail 12 ft 250 liters 52 lbs
1986 – 1989 Mistral Superlight Fiberglas longboard w/6.3 batten mylar sail 12 ft 250 liters 35 lbs
1990 – 1995 Mistral One-Design Fiberglas performance longboard w/7.4 cambered monofilm sail
The Olympic Board for96, 00, 04
footstraps masttrack 12 ft 235 liters 33 lbs
1997 – 2001 Mistral EquipeII Carbon performance longboard, fstraps, masttrack
12ft 258liters 28lbs
2002 – 2006 Mistral Prodigy Fiberglas performance Hybrid board w/8.5 camber monofilm sail"
Should be thousands of them lying around




oldie
VIC, 356 posts
> 9 months ago, 26 May 2012
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What about the French connection? Who knows about Sainval boards?
I can get one 3.6 x 65cm but it is a bit of a drive away. Ancient, doubtless

Chris 249
ACT, 1026 posts
> 9 months ago, 27 May 2012
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Ben Severne said...

My dad had a Ypsi. I tried to sail it a couple of times - couldn't get the rig out of the water!




It's funny, though, what happens when you actually weigh the sails. The Mylar pinhead Windsurfer OD sail that went with the later daggerboard "Mark 1s" weighs 2kg. Compare that to some modern rigs for kids or beginners, which weigh about twice as much for their area!

As far as I can make out, the best early windsurfer rigs were actually considerably lighter than modern rigs, which makes sense since they were so simple.

pierrec45
NSW, 1997 posts
> 9 months ago, 28 May 2012
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Ben Severne said...
My dad had a Ypsi. I tried to sail it a couple of times - couldn't get the rig out of the water!

In those days, the height of the booms made a huge diff on the pullability of the rigs. Often you'd see booms that were way too high for learning, making the rig difficult to lift.

oldie
VIC, 356 posts
> 9 months ago, 31 May 2012
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Bondalucci said...

As far as I know, this was the original Wayler. (pre footstraps)
Bought one brand new in 1982.
$900 from Trigger bros.
Came with a geeky 5.9 sail that had a slogan printed across it saying
"Happiness is a hand held sail" hmmmm.

The Breeze and YPSI came later, with footstraps.
They also had a cool looking (for its day) short board called a Wayler Fencer.


Heard that the slogan on the extreme 6.2 sail was "Shake Hands With The Devil !"

Bone43
370 posts
> 9 months ago, 9 Jun 2012
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Can't believe it!!!
Been looking for a one design for a while now even had an advert for one here.
Get home today and someone dumped one on the vacant block across the road.
Board only but it's a start.



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