Thanks mate, still a full L plater but starting to get comfortable in the surf and make some half decent turns. It's funny, I feel better in the waves than on flat water- but I'm sure that steems from a surfing back ground. Hopefully by next December (that will be 12 months sailboarding) I can jump on the near paid off 85 lt Quatro I have sitting in the shed As for sail sizes for a 100 kg sailor , not sure I'm a feather weight, but 12-15 knts has plenty of push to get on waves, so surely something around 6 meters should do it?? Maybe some of the bigger wave guys will have a better idea... Cam11, don't forget to tell us about ya first outing in the surf Keen to here your take on it. Cheers