How to spot problems in a 2nd hand kite.

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Watto5
Watto5
WA
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29 Apr 2013 10:42pm
I've had a few lessons and now looking at getting some gear. Although I'll probably buy one new kite, I figure I'll keep an eye out for a good 2nd hand kite as my second.

I've read plenty here about inspecting 2nd hand kites and I guess obvious damage/repairs to the fabric, bladder or lines are a giveaway, but I'm wondering whether there are any particular things that as a noob I should look out for.
SaltySinus
SaltySinus
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30 Apr 2013 11:39am
Pump it up, clip the non return valves on the struts, leave it for 2+hrs. Check all struts are still erect after this time.

Then go round one by one and release the non-return valves. If either the main bladder or the little bladders on the struts are leaking air, you'll hear a rush of air into the leaking strut.

Check the pig tails for wear as these give a good indication of condition and time spent in sun/salt water.

If it holds air, and doesn't have any obvious rips *and* the pig tails are good, it's good to go in my opinion!
wheels
wheels
WA
204 posts
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30 Apr 2013 10:00am
Dont forget to have a good look at the bar and lines as well and check for any knots or worn lines and ask if lines have been washed.I brought one new kite when i started and then a couple that were one season old. If i had the chance again i would not buy new when starting but would get a superseeded model or one that is a season old as alot of people upgrade every year. That way when you crash it or if you have to release it you will do it quicker if it only cost you $800 instead of $1800.
bene313
bene313
WA
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30 Apr 2013 10:04am
SaltySinus said...
Check the pig tails for wear as these give a good indication of condition and time spent in sun/salt water.


True but pig tails can be replaced. One of the cheapest things you can do to make an old kite look better for sale!

Scratches or fraying of stitching on the LE is a tell tale sign. When kites have been dragged or crashed on the beach it's the LE which takes the brunt.

Probably the best thing you can do to stack the odds in your favour is to pick your seller. Ask the seller what size kites they have in their quiver. If they say "just a 9m" then you know that 9m has been used in all conditions each day of the week. If they have a 7/9/12 combo then the wear will have been spread relatively evenly over all kites.

There are plenty of kiters (like me) who run 3 kites and upgrade every season or two. These are the people you'll be wanting to buy gear from. You can stack the odds further in your favour if the seller has a family and a demanding job, ie. not a lot of kite time!
BurkeyBoy
BurkeyBoy
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30 Apr 2013 12:23pm
bene313 said...
SaltySinus said...
Check the pig tails for wear as these give a good indication of condition and time spent in sun/salt water.



Probably the best thing you can do to stack the odds in your favour is to pick your seller. Ask the seller what size kites they have in their quiver. If they say "just a 9m" then you know that 9m has been used in all conditions each day of the week. If they have a 7/9/12 combo then the wear will have been spread relatively evenly over all kites.

There are plenty of kiters (like me) who run 3 kites and upgrade every season or two. These are the people you'll be wanting to buy gear from. You can stack the odds further in your favour if the seller has a family and a demanding job, ie. not a lot of kite time!


Agree. Whenever I sell a kite I always show it in a pic with my other kites so buyer is aware of the quiver.
Watto5
Watto5
WA
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30 Apr 2013 11:17am
Thanks heaps guys. That's great info - just what I needed. Cheers
Eaglelad
Eaglelad
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30 Apr 2013 1:58pm
Some good points above.. also it depnds on how much you are paying and knowing enough to use it as leverage to get a better price/ as compared to relying on what the seller is telling you.

1)Know what brand SPANKNG new unused fabric feels like, little tears from landing on sticks etc don't bother me but if the general fabric is just worn then the whole thing could just tear down the middle the next time you crash it. then you have a kite not worth repairing either.. that line approaches quickly on old kites!

2)Blowing up and leaving for 2 hours is good advice, and don't be fooled into thinking "it's just a little leak" as they lose more air when being flown.

3)kite stores can be ridiculously flexible with last years models and make buying second hand with no aftermarket support look crazy very quickly.

4)buying brand new means you will never second guess your equipment or have it let you down and miss a session- pity you can't buy wind :,(
foorked
foorked
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30 Apr 2013 2:28pm
also check the fabric along the trailing edge for wear
bene313
bene313
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puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
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30 Apr 2013 3:39pm
foorked said...
also check the fabric along the trailing edge for wear


This is really the acid test for how much use a kite has had.
The crisp crinkly feel of the canopy disappears quickly but if the trailing edge is no stiffer than the canopy; ie feels soft & floppy; then its pretty much passed its best before date - regardless of age. Will still fly OK but has definitely lost its edge. May still be a good buy for a 1st kite but has to be cheap when used this much.
Kazan
Kazan
QLD
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1 May 2013 12:42pm
The other thing I check on a 2nd hand kite is the line lengths, to be the same as each other. There are a few videos out there on how to do this. The centre lines usually are the ones to stretch the most, and for kites older than 3 seasons, the lines may stretch by as much as 5 inches! It's an easy and free fix, so well worth a check.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
3 May 2013 3:31pm
Also, check bridles and pulleys for wear. Pulleys can need replacement after 1-2 seasons with continuous use. Bridles will develop wear spots when the pully moves along it.
fingerbone
fingerbone
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5 May 2013 8:39pm
[b]Eaglelad said...[/

2)Blowing up and leaving for 2 hours is good advice, and don't be fooled into thinking "it's just a little leak" as they lose more air when being flown.



Good, but in most cases not practicable, two hrs is a long time to hang around chewing the fat with a stranger...and you cant leave and come back as seller may re-inflate...
Watto5
Watto5
WA
87 posts
WA, 87 posts
5 May 2013 8:25pm
Thanks again for all the replies - great advice all round. It's pretty much a "2nd Hand Kite Buyers Manual".
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