Thinking of buying a sailing yacht

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woofmain
woofmain
2 posts
2 posts
13 May 2013 12:39pm
Hi everyone,

I am new to boating and after some research online, I am thinking of buying a sailing yacht ... I have landed on a Hood 23 in reasonable condition selling at a low price point (well within my budget). I have no experience in sailing or boating in general (other than some rental boat in the harbour). Few questions:

1. Is a Hood 23 with a 6 HP motor a good first choice?
2. I intend to learn sailing (possibly by taking a course or joining a yacht club) before I take it out for sailing ... is it a good plan?
3. I have young kids ... how suitable are these yachts for scooting around harbour with little kids - even if its on the 6HP motor?
4. What would be the more appropriate place to moor if I wanted to spend most of the time near and around Sydney harbour? What about wait time for mooring?
5. All I am after is a great day out in calm waters ... any other beginner advice will be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance folks!!

frant
frant
VIC
1230 posts
VIC, 1230 posts
13 May 2013 7:26pm
Unfortunately question 4 is the most pertinant question for this type of boat. Moorings are extremely expensive and tightly held in Sydney harbour and you will not get one in your lifetime. Liken it to MCC membership, you put your children down for membership before they are born so that their children may arrive at the front of the que. The Hood 23 may well be a mooring minder ie a boat that is used to hold a mooring for the licensee until such time as their new boat arrives.
Better to take up option 2 before buying a boat, a lot of opportunity for sailing may open up to you by joining a yacht club.
Cheers
Sunseeker39
Sunseeker39
WA
71 posts
WA, 71 posts
13 May 2013 5:43pm
I agree , option 2
Before I joined a club I was told point blank , no chance of a pen or a mooring.
granted this is in WA - but I assume its similar elsewhere.
Once your in the club as a crew member , boats come up for sale in the club and the pens and mooring committee's
look far more favourably on active members.
Add to that you will be in a far better position to know what you like before you part with the $'s.
The clubs will also have a kids programs.

Learning to sail is the best thing I have ever done as a mid life sea change - go for it.
nswsailor
nswsailor
NSW
1458 posts
NSW, 1458 posts
13 May 2013 8:30pm
What you say frant about moorings is true for Watson Bay, but if go right back towards Parrammatta you may have a better chance.

Ask the RMS, only they can tell you what's available.
doug27
doug27
NSW
28 posts
NSW, 28 posts
13 May 2013 10:30pm
The size of your boat will have an effect on your mooring wait time.if you visit waterways they will tell you the the waiting list for different spots.i was initially told six months for my spot in pittwater. After speaking to the waterways guy though, he said 27ft we'll find you a spot"
You should learn to sail first and be confident/competent before you take the kids out but it's a great life skill
claverton
claverton
NSW
165 posts
NSW, 165 posts
14 May 2013 12:22am
Hood is a good boat. You can get away with a much lighter engine than 6HP btw. Other one to look at is a fiberglass Folkboat ... fractional rig, wonderful manners, easy to sail & better looking than a Hood, great sea boats so you can sail it up to Pittwater for the weekend. Look for a boat that is being sailed and used rather than one that is a mooring minder & nothing works. Ask how long since standing rigging was replaced and factor replacement into your purchase price.

Regarding govt moorings you'll have a long waiting time for somewhere like Snails Bay in Balmain but pop down to Waterways in Rozelle. They have a map on the wall showing waiting times & there's heaps of areas on Sydney Harbour with zero or low waiting times.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
14 May 2013 8:53am
I agree with claverton, he is obviously a very intelligent bloke as he sails a Currawong 30. The folkboat is a good choice. The other option is to buy a small yacht with a mooring. Don't be too fussy about the type, any of the 70's family yachts like the Hood 23, Endeavour 24, Southerly 23 are pretty comparable. You can always update the yacht later or sell on the yacht and mooring. Keep an eye on Ebay, some of those small yachts occasionally appear with a mooring. In NSW you own the mooring equipment not the spot, transferring ownership and leasing the spot is easy though.
woofmain
woofmain
2 posts
2 posts
14 May 2013 3:06pm
Thanks everyone ... I must say, this is a fantastic forum and already getting me hooked to sailing, at least arm-chair version
Thanks for some great advice!! As a newbie deciding whether to dip my toe in it or not, this is a great start.
claverton
claverton
NSW
165 posts
NSW, 165 posts
15 May 2013 1:52am
Not intelligent or clever enough to be able to build my own self steering gear Ramona ... collected my new Windpilot from customs today (ouch)!
MichaelR
MichaelR
NSW
862 posts
NSW, 862 posts
15 May 2013 4:08am
Go to the Roads and Maritime website and look at the mooring maps and waiting lists. If your boat is on a mooring, ere is a chance you may be able to transfer it to your name. But, a private mooring in Sydney Harbour is NOT expensive, if it's a swing mooring. You will pay about $400 a year for the license, plus about the same for a service of the tackle. You will also need to put the tackle down if there isn't any on the spot that you can take over.

As for the boat, a good solid Top Hat will set you back about $10k, or perhaps less if you're prepared to have something a little less well looked after. Compare this to a Hood and you'll soon realize that the Top Hat is a far better bet. So to are the Folkboats, Endevours, Compass etc. especially if you want to venture outside or have more than a couple of people on board.

Four years ago I went through exactly what you're doing now and the Top Hat was my choice because of its full keel, full fiberglass and the fact that they've circumnavigated the world.

Have fun in your search!
nswsailor
nswsailor
NSW
1458 posts
NSW, 1458 posts
15 May 2013 11:37pm
The real link for Top Hats is

www.tophatyachts.com

There you will find all the information you need about Top Hats.
portjackson
portjackson
NSW
3 posts
NSW, 3 posts
18 May 2013 1:42pm
Certainly doing a course is a good idea, there are several stages you can complete, Introductory - learn to sail, competent crew and bareboat skippers. Sydney Harbour is an expensive place to learn - Pittwater offers cheaper alternatives.

I was in a similar situation to yourself about 4 years ago and was keen to buy a yacht. On further research I realised the initial purchase cost and ongoing expenses outweighed the total usage I would get out of the boat, So I decided to enter into a private boat share / Syndicate with 2 other sailing enthusiasts at the same experience level as me.

We bought a compass 29, very stable seaworthy vessel and great for introductory sailing and cursing on Sydney Harbour. We have had 3 fantastic years in the 3 way boat share and now one of the partners is looking to leave due to other commitments. Consequently we are on the lookout for a new partner to join our Syndicate. Let me know if you are interested to hear more about this very affordable opportunity (beginners welcome,"we can show you the ropes") . The Boat is kept at Mosman and within immediate access of the main sailing area on Sydney Harbour.
Boatin
Boatin
NSW
179 posts
NSW, 179 posts
18 May 2013 2:43pm
Woofmain, while you are thinking about which way to go have a look at this sailing instruction video. I found it immensely helpful and explained a lot of the things that you should know.

'

Learning To Sail with Penny WHiting'
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