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CAUTION
CAUTION
WA
1097 posts
WA, 1097 posts
6 Apr 2004 8:13am
i have a knot in one of my lines, god dam it.
second time it has happened.
some people say it shud be fixed immediately...
does anyone know does it really dramatically decrease the strength of the line?
i guess there is no wind for a week anyhow.

off the topic, a tip for anyone trying to set up a pulley bar.
get ur lines absolutely perfect or it will feel wrong. i keep getting just a slight change in line length and it is totally stuffing up my setup.
i gotta go back to the drawing board.
bird
bird
WA
16 posts
WA, 16 posts
6 Apr 2004 9:07am
Caution,

Knots in lines do decrease the strength of the line when under tension. There are exceptions but they are generally deliberately tied in order to shorten line. They also sit proud of the rest of your lines and provide an abrasive point compared to the rest of your line when packed. Having no kiting experience to speak of this is a generalisation on rope and line only.
Pete
andyc
andyc
WA
202 posts
WA, 202 posts
6 Apr 2004 5:25pm
Some first hand experience with knots! I kited with knots in my back lines for a year no worries.

I snapped a (different) line, then tied it back together with a double fisherman's and its still working fine.

The key point is (in my opinion) they are fine ONLY because they are on the back lines. When I'm ultra powered, I'm fully sheeted out so all the pressure is on my front lines. How this matters with a pulley bar depends on what depower setting you've got it at, but I'm sure front lines will be still more powered then back lines.

And pete raises another valid point. If you have a knot that gets in the way when you have twists in the line, it will cause no end of problems.

Yes a knot in a line is a weak spot, but I haven't had any troubles. That doesn't mean you won't <-disclaimer.
Zac
Zac
WA
91 posts
Zac Zac
WA, 91 posts
6 Apr 2004 8:04pm
Generally in the case of rope, a knot can cause the rope to be 2/3 rds as strong so I would guess that kite lines would be the same. I believe kite lines on average have a breaking stain of around 300 kgs so with only about 200 kg b/strain I think you wouldn't have to much grief. Thats my opinion, correct me if I'm wrong please
CAUTION
CAUTION
WA
1097 posts
WA, 1097 posts
7 Apr 2004 8:15am
THANKS GUYS
I AM JUST A LITTLE WORRIED AS IT IS THE FRONT LINE THAT MY LEASH IS ON. I MITE JUST SWAP THAT LINE WITH THE OTHER SIDE.
DONT WANT THAT SNAPPIN AS THEN THE KITE GOES FLYIN BY ITSELF.....
fab
fab
WA
102 posts
fab fab
WA, 102 posts
7 Apr 2004 2:26pm
just chew your knot gently for a few minutes and the knot will come off.
andyc
andyc
WA
202 posts
WA, 202 posts
7 Apr 2004 2:59pm
another time i was walking my kite in holding ONLY the leash line. The kite did a little mini power up and it snapped that line on the stopper. The stopper was a piece of covering on the line, and a rounded ring, but it was enough to weaken the line.

Definitely don't have a knotted line as your leash line. I'd switch both your front lines for your back lines. Your front lines have probably stretched evenly, so keeping them paired up is a good idea.

Or buy new ones! $169 isn't too much!
Dalai Lama
Dalai Lama
WA
58 posts
WA, 58 posts
7 Apr 2004 4:15pm
Hey caution if I was you I wouldn't be switching it with the other front line I would swap it for the rear flying lines(steering lines). They take hardly any pressure. I had a knot in my back line and it didn't break in a year. good luck
CAUTION
CAUTION
WA
1097 posts
WA, 1097 posts
7 Apr 2004 4:19pm
THAT WOND WORK O HOLY ONE AS I RIDE PULLEY BAR AND ALL LINES ARE EVEN SO EQUAL PRESSURE.
I WILL TRY THE CHEW THING, IF NOT GO SE BIG NEAL AND CHOP THEM ALL OFF AND AGAIN GO SHORTER...
A LOT CHEAPER OPTION THAN 16WHATEVER RIP OFF.
I CANT BELIEVE LINES COST THAT MUCH.
THANKS ANYWAY GUYS.
IM JUST GONNA GO CHEW ON SOME RIVER SLIME FLAVORED LINES.
Rain
Rain
WA
1 posts
WA, 1 posts
8 Apr 2004 6:39pm
Fab, thanks - chewing worked a dream. Couple of minutes and managed to work a knot on a front line out. Didn't taste too bad either.

quote:
Originally posted by fab

just chew your knot gently for a few minutes and the knot will come off.

CAUTION
CAUTION
WA
1097 posts
WA, 1097 posts
13 Apr 2004 9:17am
yeh me too!
tho mine did tase a bit ferrule....
i was stoked.
sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
QLD, 1203 posts
6 Mar 2006 5:15pm
If anyone reading this has a knot in their front line, you should really try and get it out. My front line broke this weekend and on closer inspection there had been a knot there...

Do what you can to have no knots in the front lines.
Surgeon
Surgeon
NSW
134 posts
NSW, 134 posts
6 Mar 2006 7:09pm
some info on knots on spectra

www.fishingkites.co.nz/fishingknots/spectra_fishing_line.html
Classic
Classic
QLD
76 posts
QLD, 76 posts
6 Mar 2006 6:46pm
The other trick to undo a knot is put it in some boiling water before chewing.
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
6 Mar 2006 6:11pm
or hit genltly with a hammer, chew a bit, then undo.
eightfootplus
eightfootplus
NSW
298 posts
NSW, 298 posts
7 Mar 2006 11:24am
wet it well and use needles to pry the knot open,

A hammer works too but does it break the fibre strands?
Blaster
Blaster
WA
501 posts
WA, 501 posts
23 Feb 2007 11:27pm
And the NOBEL prize goes to Fab. Well if I could, I'd nominate you for it. I dug up this old thread on a search on knotted lines and you suggestion of chewing the knot was a five minute solution to 2 knots in my front lines. The only down side, it was a good excuse to sit down with a 6 pack but 1 beer later and problem fixed. Don't despair I've got loads of over reasons up me sleave to use..

Cheers and highly recommended quick fix to others that may be going through this issue with their lines

Happy Mr Spruce?? Did u understand what I meant. apparently we are allowed to make spelling mistakes if from WA.
DaveSpruce
DaveSpruce
WA
568 posts
WA, 568 posts
24 Feb 2007 12:35pm
It's Nobel, not Noble
em
em
318 posts
em em
318 posts
24 Feb 2007 1:13pm
quote:
Originally posted by fab

just chew your knot gently for a few minutes and the knot will come off.


True. Ive never seen a single knot on a line you can't take off, no matter how long it's been there for and how much tension it's been put under... All it takes is a bit of sucking and patience...
oops, did I just write that????
Hm... Well, I would try to rephrase that if I could, but that's really all it takes...
Wouldn't go for the hammer though: it destroys the fibers in your lines and weakens them... Gentleness is always more appreciated, really...
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3510 posts
WA, 3510 posts
24 Feb 2007 2:20pm
Why is it that women always like the slow gentle approach?
Though in this case I think Em is right, I'd vote for the slow gentle sucking over the hammer anyday.
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3510 posts
WA, 3510 posts
26 Feb 2007 6:32pm
It does work.
I noticed two knots in a rear line whilst setting up a couple of weeks ago and after a few minutes of trying to get them out i gave up and thought that I would just use the lines with the knots in and one day look at shortening all lines as the knots were close to the end.
It did take patience Em and the majority of the 6 pack Blaster but both knots are now out.
em
em
318 posts
em em
318 posts
26 Feb 2007 7:32pm
quote:
Originally posted by tightlines

It does work.

I know!!!
quote:
I noticed two knots in a rear line whilst setting up a couple of weeks ago and after a few minutes of trying to get them out i gave up and thought that I would just use the lines with the knots in and one day look at shortening all lines as the knots were close to the end.
It did take patience Em

Good things always take patience... no good work has ever been done in a hurry....
quote:
and the majority of the 6 pack Blaster

That's the way... fast learner!
quote:
but both knots are now out.

Glad to hear my skills have been helpful!!!
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