using shorter lines = smaller kite

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slyfox
slyfox
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VIC, 324 posts
20 Oct 2004 9:07pm
quick question guys, i'm picking up a 14 metre kite in a few days, i'd also like a 10 metre for those stronger seabreeze days (23+ knots)

instead i'm looking at buying a seperate bar with 18 or 20 metre lines as an affordable way of increasing the wind range of my kite ($300 for bar lines, instead of $700 for a 2002 10 metre kite)

i realise shorter lines will lessen my ability to jump, and i'll have to react a little faster as the kite is always closer to the groud, but that doesn't phase me as long as i can stay out on those stronger days anyone used shorter lines in this way or have something to add?

oh by the way as this is my first post in the general forum, g'day it's nice to be a member here
crashtestdummy
crashtestdummy
VIC
63 posts
VIC, 63 posts
21 Oct 2004 2:51am
Yeah - looks like you know what to expect. I've got a 45 bar on 20 lines for strong conditions and so far only put my 10m on it and it's very quick & very fun. As you guessed you come down quicker but probably better off asking someone else when it comes to jumps because I've only just started attempting them with more failure than success at this stage - I'm still sore as I write this but I'm sure that spectators would be amused at my lack of timing.

ianyoung
ianyoung
WA
649 posts
WA, 649 posts
21 Oct 2004 9:06am
Be VERY careful with this strategy - you will NOT get any significant increase in wind range.

Reducing the length of the lines simply means that your wind window is physical smaller ie the kite will fly to the edge of the wind window quicker ie depower more quickly.

BUT once at the edge the kite still delivers more lift in stronger wind and once you get up around the top end of the spec of your kite for your body weight then you will not be able to hold an edge on your board and worse still face a very real risk of being lofted when the kite is overhead.

I personally just use shorter lines for wave riding and longer lines for jumping and kite loops. Board and kite size/ design have more impact on wind range than line length.


Cheers,
Ian Young
www.flysurf.com.au
0414 716 812
wrex
wrex
86 posts
86 posts
21 Oct 2004 1:31pm
So does this mean if i increase my line length on my 9.3 warrior for the lighter days i will have a larger wind window hence larger and longer power strokes?
Gone to dark side
Gone to dark side
NSW
394 posts
NSW, 394 posts
21 Oct 2004 3:53pm
Thanks for Ian commentes will try in the surf I have tried 20m lines on my 12m spitfire it did let me stay out longer turned the kite into a 10m kite.But as Ian has said its still a 12m kite in gusty conditions.

Dark side
ianyoung
ianyoung
WA
649 posts
WA, 649 posts
21 Oct 2004 10:13pm
yes wrex, you have a larger wind window, the kite flies at the same speed but will stay longer in the planing zone because it has physically further to fly before it gets to the edge - but it will only give you a 1-2 knot increase in the lower end of your wind range IMO.
crashtestdummy
crashtestdummy
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63 posts
VIC, 63 posts
22 Oct 2004 12:56am
Ian, Does the wind get stronger a bit higher up? I'm thinking of a few spots I go to where it seems that trees and buildings onshore create more of a dead zone below their level (horizontally speaking) as the wind rises in height before it meets the shore to pass over these obejects. Similar to a bug about to impact your cars windscreen but instead passes over the roof. It feels like 7m makes a difference in these situations.
ianyoung
ianyoung
WA
649 posts
WA, 649 posts
22 Oct 2004 8:08am
Yes wind does increase with altitude, this is due to the friction on the surface slowing the air flow down. Longer lines will not make that much difference in most cases, particularly if you are trying to go upwind you will have your kite low to the side in any case.

There is also an effect that you describe when the wind is deflected up over trees, sand dunes, buildings, etc. Low directly in front is the "dead zone" you mentioned, but more dangerously the airflow is often deflected upward then compresses with the air flowing straight over the top of the barrier - if your kite is flown in either of these zones you can get lofted very easily, especially in stronger winds.

The vertical "ridge lift" is what hang gliders and paragliders try and stay in, but if they drift too far over into the compression zone the increased wind speed can blow them over the back of the ridge into the turbulence behind it - NOT fun and bloody dangerous!

Remember if the wind speed doubles, you get four times the lift. So even in light winds you can get caught out with ridge lift even with small dunes, etc.

This is one of the reasons I had to set the JZ on the Gravity Games so far out and why we had the launch area to the South - we couldn't risk competitors on suicide leashes getting a kite caught in the ridge lift - not to mention all the shallow reef directly downwind :-( It was interesting to note that study also found a significant increase in accidents during competitions.
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