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directone
directone
VIC
17 posts
VIC, 17 posts
23 Jan 2005 2:33pm
Hi all. I've been a windsurfer and waterskier for years and thinking about giving kitesurfing a go. Where do I find a good beginner's book or video that will show me all the basics. Also, what kind of kit would suit as a starting point (say for 12-20kn winds). Any boardsailors who've made the transition ... I'd love to hear how it went I am confident in most conditions on a windsurfer (short board), can jibe, jump, and used to ride a trick-ski so the board handling should be no probs. but I read a bit of stuff about kitesurfing and the kite control looks really complex and confusing.

Thanks
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
23 Jan 2005 12:16pm
In a nutshell - buy some lessions.
The waterski experience should give you the basic board skills.
You're half way there.
Jeff2231
Jeff2231
NSW
416 posts
NSW, 416 posts
23 Jan 2005 7:36pm
Hey, I'm an instructor at Longreef Sail & Surf in Sydney and the money you spend on a couple of lesson is invaluable when you consider the possible cost of trying to teach yourself through books and DVD's ie. Somebody elses kid Besides the safety issues, learning through a qualified instructor is going to give you a much better experience and I can guarantee that you'll learn a million times faster than you would through friends who give you a kite to fly while they're out on the water. Another plus is that you can bash up the school kites rather than your own. Kite control takes a little time to get used to, but with the right equipment we can help give you confidence in flying smaller kites and build up to the bigger kites as your ability improves. This way your not going to get yourself into any trouble and it usually only takes around 2 hours of kite flying to get to the stage where you are ready to learn self rescue techniques and water relaunching etc... Anyway, good luck with your kiting and for the record I'd say over half the kiters around my area are ex-windsurfers so I guess kiting must have some attraction to you blokes. See ya.
PsYLoR
PsYLoR
QLD
927 posts
QLD, 927 posts
23 Jan 2005 8:50pm
Yeah save yourself time and save your equipment from damage and get some lessons.
directone
directone
VIC
17 posts
VIC, 17 posts
23 Jan 2005 10:02pm
Thanks everyone. I do indeed intend to get some lessons. All your points are very valid, particuarly the start small and build up to a bigger kite! same as WS really. What I was looking for a book or DVD for was to get my head around the basic terms/techniques/equipment etc. so that when I get some lessons, I'll get more out of 'em. So anyone read a good introductory book on kiteboarding or DVD?
HungLong
HungLong
WA
859 posts
WA, 859 posts
23 Jan 2005 8:06pm
one thing's for sure directone, you will be ripping in a lot less time than it took you in windsurfing... And probably a good compliment to your other water sports...

The Cat amongst the pigeons...
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
23 Jan 2005 8:29pm
quote:
Originally posted by directone
start small and build up to a bigger kite!

You may have got that impression from your replies but IMO its definately NOT the WTG. You heed a kite that will have you up & learning for the max time possible.
Go small & all you will do is not get it up often enough. (& you probably know how disasterous that can be :-) )
This bigger/smaller beginner argument just doesn't hang for me at all. A small kite in a big wind = a big kite in a small wind. If you are going to limit yourself to a quiver of one to start with - as any sensible person would - go with the kite that will suit your local conditions most often. There is no point having a "safe 8M kite if you can only get it up 1/4 of the time ???"
Check with your local kiters and if guys your size fly 12M kites 80% of the time go for a 12M.
Just MO - but hey - I have just been there/done that & thats what I reckon will work ?
Almost forgot - What I reckon is important for beginners is Go Low Aspect - they are much more user friendly & can only speed up your progress.
Good Luck - you are starting out in the greatest sport of ALL time - ENJOY !

"He who enjoys most - WINS"
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
23 Jan 2005 11:15pm


there are some free videos for download here:
www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=kitefilm&e=com

they include advanced and beginner stuff so might be worth a look...


Rosy
Rosy
WA
175 posts
WA, 175 posts
24 Jan 2005 12:03am
Lessons sound like the way to go, but reading up on it is also a good idea aswell. Just dont confuse your self to much and expect there is soo much to know because that will jus stress you out. hope all goes well. toodals
Jeff2231
Jeff2231
NSW
416 posts
NSW, 416 posts
24 Jan 2005 10:19am
Just to clarify, I didn´t mean to say get a smaller kite to start with. I#324; a teaching situation I would put my students up on a trainer kite, then onto a 6m, then a full sized kite (depending on the conditions) just to get them used to handling the kite, and its power. One thing that I definitely don´t recommend is trying to learn on a smaller kite. Around Sydney our conditions are most commonly between 10-20knots so it´d be best to get a size that can still be used in those conditions. After a few lessons students should be able to handle a kite the same size as everybody else in the water, they need to be able to because riding underpowered is definitely alot harder than being able to park the kite and go. The hardest part is trying to get your student to resist throwing their new 14m up in 30 knot winds when your not around Hope I made a bit more sense that time.

See ya.

PS. If you can do a bit of research before coming in it does make it alot easier. I had a student on saturday that had been reading up over the days prior and we were able to get through the crap at the start much faster.
Surgeon
Surgeon
NSW
134 posts
NSW, 134 posts
24 Jan 2005 10:47am
Howdy Directone, get yerself a 2 line stunt kite on a bar and start flying it now!!!. The sport is all about the kite - the more second nature flying the kite is, the faster the curve. Then get the lessons Then bust out some moves [}:)]. Later
Alan
Alan
NSW
125 posts
NSW, 125 posts
24 Jan 2005 2:05pm
Hi Direct,
I was a windsurfer of 15 yrs and if it contributed anything it didn't show!
A Wakeboarding background probably helps the most but it is all about controling the kite. I'd get some lessons and you'll also get introduced to others that'll help you out later (and you'll need it). Like Jeff for instance if your from Sydney.
What I can tell you about learning from a windsurfers experience is that 20/25 Kts is heaven but don't apply this to Kiting. I learnt on a 16M and 12Kts put the fear of God into you. Like others said don't be afraid to use a good sized kite for your weight and wind but use it wisely and don't try and rush learning. I liked the learning combination of biggish kite (I'm 100KGs mind) which was slow across the sky and slow to turn and big board (that was all that was available then). Having a slow kite helps give you that extra half second. So get a good kite, put it on the slowest settings to begin with, learn with a buddy, have 200M downwind clear. As for a learning video try Boost1 is a bit old but better that TV.
siwalker
siwalker
WA
195 posts
WA, 195 posts
24 Jan 2005 11:20am
Contact [email protected] he has the latest book and DVD called the secrets of kiteboarding, very helpful.
directone
directone
VIC
17 posts
VIC, 17 posts
24 Jan 2005 5:40pm
Hey Alan,
My most worn out w/s sail is a 6.0 slalom so I guess the prevailant conditions are say 18-22kn (I come from Melbourne) though 25-30 is not uncommon where I usually sail (Inveloch) so in your opinion, what size kite has the same wind range as a 6.0 slalom sail on a sailboard?

Thanks,
directone

P.s. Do kites have a higher or lower windrange than a typical windsurfer sail? (I've got 5 sails in my w/s quiver)
Alan
Alan
NSW
125 posts
NSW, 125 posts
25 Jan 2005 11:48am
Hi directone,
Funny when I started I used to look at the windsurfers and use them as some sort of cross reference for my kiting. If they were going 6-6.5's i'd be OK on a 16M kite. If they were on 5.5's it was too strong as a novice. But I only had 1 kite back then. I still do it to some extent to see what the wind strength is out back.
Anyway to answer your question...knowing your weight is quite important. I'd buy the right size kite for your weight and wind but being a beginner go out in a lot less wind to start with until you build your skills to handle the correct range the kite is designed for. These are my ranges, I'm 100KGs and 3yrs experience.

Board: Airush Switch 142 x 40.5
Rhino4 18 range 12/13-19 Kts sweetspot 14-17 Kts;
Flexifoil storm III 15 range 15-27 kts sweetspot 17-22 Kts;
Wipika AirBlast 2002 12 (old 8.4) 19-28 Kts sweetspot 22-26;

Change boards above 22Kts to Airush compact 133 x 36 as the compact is more comfortable and holds more power:
Wipika Airblast 2002 12 24-30+ Kts sweetspot 24-28 Kts.

These are all 4 line high aspect kites which I like but these Ranges are, I suspect quite different for med. aspect kites and 5th liners. You got to try them out. For a beginner most people wouldn't recommend a high aspect kite and some of the new med/low aspect kites are probably better to learn on. However for me the hardest part of kite flying is to control a fast/fast turning kite. Many of the new med/low aspect kites are very fast so if you get one slow them down as much as you can on the rear line settings. Also any kite below 10 flys really fast.

My guess for weight differences is if your 80Kgs go 2M down on my kite size. If your 60 Kg go 4M down.

Frankly learning in 18-22Kts wouldn't be for me - way to dangerous and scary. For that range heavy guys on 14 medium guys on 12/10 but remember they are experienced. If it were me I'd get a 14 and learn in lower winds.

PS I had 6.5, 5.3, 5.0, 4.7 and 4.2 and 2 boards. Now I have 3 kites and 2 boards. Kites have big wind ranges (esp small ones). All my mates were once windurfers now we can't remember how to rig!
g-dog
g-dog
WA
145 posts
WA, 145 posts
25 Jan 2005 9:42am
If it's DVDs you're after, I can tell you a bit about the two I own...

The first chapter of "Boost 2" covers all the technical stuff of 2 and 4 line kites, and all the setting up procedures, and assisted and unassisted launchings and landings, then it moves onto getting on the water and starting a few tricks. The 2nd chapter is just more advanced and way beyond my level at the moment.

"Kiteboarding 101" presents not so much the setting up, but is very big on body position. They show you in a split screen how to position youself on the left hand side, using a land based rig while the instructor is talking you through it step by step so you can see how it works, and on the right hand side, it shows footage of people doing the same thing on-water.

I bought them and watched them a few times before I had my lessons, and it helped get my head around the theory, but you definately need lessons from a qualified instructor to apply that theory and practice what you've seen on screen SAFELY.
directone
directone
VIC
17 posts
VIC, 17 posts
25 Jan 2005 3:02pm
Thanks g_dog and Alan,

Great info and really good to hear from some people about their learning expreience. I'm 77-80kg (wish it'd just stay still!!). In w/s my quiver is 4.0 (rarely use), 4.5, 5.2, 6.0 & 6.9. I was beginning to think a 12m kite would be the right starting point with say a 145'ish twin tip board. I imagine water starting on a kiteboard to be similar to waterstarting on a wakeboard or a trick ski (which is about same size as a wakeboard but with no fins at all) which I mastered some years back.

Any comments?
PsYLoR
PsYLoR
QLD
927 posts
QLD, 927 posts
25 Jan 2005 11:55pm
Hey directone,
A 12m -13m kite usually has a projected area of around 8.5 - 10
These sizes will be perfect for you in 13 - 20 knots and as you get better you maybe up to 25 knots. If your confident with your wakeboarding experience you can probably get away with a 135'ish size board for your weight as the kite will lift you up out of the water. With kiting its all about kite control (about 85% kite control & 15% board control) Most of your weight is taken by the lift of the kite, So you can get away with a much smaller board. I'm around 68kg & use a 122 size board, had a go with the 122 behind a boat & it was way too small for me to get up on, but with the help of the kite riding a board that size is like a dream. Though keep in mind that its way easier to learn with a larger board, then downsize as you get better.
Jeff2231
Jeff2231
NSW
416 posts
NSW, 416 posts
26 Jan 2005 1:16am
OK, as it#347; Australia Daty and I;ve had a couple of drinks I´ll try to keep this as simple as possible to stop myself looking like an idiot who can´t sleep. While I agree that a large board will be easier to learn with, I think something around the 130 mark will suit you best being between 75&*80 kg´s.
I´m riding a 120=125 size boards and about to go to a 118 cause smaller boards are more fun, BUT 130 should be sweet and get you going but keep you going at a later stage until your cutting sick in the water. What ever you do listen to Alan cause he#347; got a good idea on what´s going on and he´s a good guy that;ll steer you in the right direction. See ya.
Alan
Alan
NSW
125 posts
NSW, 125 posts
27 Jan 2005 11:11am
Hi Directone,
I'd agree with the other guys regarding board size 130 - 135 with bit of width eg 38 sounds good for a medium weight beginner with your board skills. Probably something flater to get you going quicker. You must try the board though even the smallest differences "feel" different. If you don't think your skill level is good enough to decide ask around/read all the forums or get a cheap second hand one. When I learnt even my home made planks worked well.
I'm sure you will get addicted to Kiting (who doesn't) so bear in mind what your quiver might be. Most guys I know at 80KG end up with something like a 16/12 combo to take you to 22Kts. About 3-4 metres between kites. But be careful mixing types of kites. A grunty 9 seemed to pulled harder than my high aspect 12 a few weeks back!
TimLewis
TimLewis
WA
111 posts
WA, 111 posts
27 Jan 2005 8:12am
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Alan
Alan
NSW
125 posts
NSW, 125 posts
27 Jan 2005 11:16am
Hey Jeff,
Your typings not bad after a few beers.
That's what gets me about you young guys..party all night and still kick my ass on the water the next day!
TimLewis
TimLewis
WA
111 posts
WA, 111 posts
27 Jan 2005 8:16am
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