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high as a kite
high as a kite
SA
1312 posts
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30 Apr 2009 9:28pm
Hi all,
I've noticed while viewing SUP video's that most of the guys that are ripping actually use their paddle whilst turning.

Up until now I've only surfed waves the traditional way. (still on L plates )

What are the pro & con's in this technique?

Ian



teatrea
teatrea
QLD
4177 posts
QLD, 4177 posts
30 Apr 2009 10:17pm
you are able to crank tighter turns by pivoting of the paddle , it also aids you in balance.Expecially with the bigger boards.
Brooko
Brooko
1672 posts
1672 posts
30 Apr 2009 8:31pm
Surely Ian, you have leant on it whilst doing a tight bottom turn
The paddle Is a great bonus
high as a kite
high as a kite
SA
1312 posts
SA, 1312 posts
30 Apr 2009 11:34pm
I do lean on it for balance while riding along Brooko but I guess I'm talking more about when turning from fore hand to back hand. ( not sure of the surfing term).
As for a tight bottom turn, it's still to come.

If turning left, most seem to plant the paddle in on the right hand / outside and seem to sweep behind the board while turning.
Is it a sweeping action?

Teatrea, are you talking about pivoting off the paddle on the inside of a turn?
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
1525 posts
NSW, 1525 posts
1 May 2009 8:00am
For me, as a shortboard surfer, using the paddle to crank a turn is the essence of SUP-otherwise I night as well ride a mal.

I try to use the paddle heaps-switching it from bottom turn to top turn/or cutback and using it to pivot around-it's amazing the amount of torque you can get using the paddle compared to conventional surfing.

Just wish I had a board to ride-my Naish saga continues......
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
17570 posts
VIC, 17570 posts
1 May 2009 8:03am
I use mine all the time when turning... It often stops me falling in..

DJ
Jack Mack
Jack Mack
NSW
343 posts
NSW, 343 posts
1 May 2009 8:45am
My wife uses her paddle to hit me when I ACCIDENTLY drop in on her.
I use my paddle as a prop when turning. The faster you are going the more weight the paddle can support. So when doing a mach one 'larry layback' like Robdogs young bloke, that paddle can feel like it's supporting most of your weight. Next best thing to a walking frame.
While on the subject, how come I put my paddle to the inside and cut back around it while everybody else puts it outside them and cut back the other way.
Maybe just a short fat bloke thing.
Jon E B
Jon E B
71 posts
71 posts
1 May 2009 6:54am
Hi High,
Use of the paddle can be frustrating at first. There are two schools of thought: one utilizes the paddle throughout the wave(difficult at first - especially to make it look good), the other uses the paddle only when necessary(basically surfing regularly once they are riding). I am of the former school, as I use my paddle as a "feeler" and a pivot/lean point throughout the ride.
The next time you go out on a day with a bit of push, try really leaning over onto that paddle on the bottom turn. If done correctly, you can get an amazing amount of leverage while projecting yourself farther than you could without the paddle - this works especially well with the bigger boards(kind of like an outrigger). I have actually had my arms and head go completely underwater and recovered by using the resistance of that paddle(face-plant preventor).
As far as the topturns go, on your frontside you can lean way back on your paddle or you can plant your paddle in front of the tail and sort of "plant-and-scoop" it around the tail. This will(as mentioned up the thread) help you throw the tail around for faster direction change. Backhand is a bit different: leaning back on the paddle is leagues easier as the plant-and-scoop method is almost impossible unless you are a contortionist(I must admit I am still working on a better backhand method).
I say get out there and experiment with stuff that you envision when you are mindsurfing waves. Use that paddle! So what if you fall some? You might surprise yourself with what you actually pull off - there are many techniques yet to be discovered!
Multihull1
Multihull1
QLD
130 posts
QLD, 130 posts
1 May 2009 9:15am
I agree with matt Loco, mide as well ride a mal if you dont use the paddle. i reckon the kids will really rip later because they will have to use the paddle to initiate the turn and to pull it thru. As someone else said i think, this started out with big boards so a paddle was needed. You really can jam all kinds of turns using it. Just go for it Bro you'll love the feeling.
Patiently waiting for my surfshapes
mollydooka
mollydooka
WA
252 posts
WA, 252 posts
1 May 2009 9:05am
high as a kite said...

I do lean on it for balance while riding along Brooko but I guess I'm talking more about when turning from fore hand to back hand.


check this out Ian, this guy's pretty adept on his backhand (& he switches foot, cutbacks, etc):


Mike
planesailing
planesailing
WA
380 posts
WA, 380 posts
1 May 2009 9:33am
I agree. Using the paddle helps turn tighter.
What I dont like seeing is people paddling while
surfing, either to go faster or make a section.
Its just my opinion, and it might start a discussion
but I prefer to see surfing just using the waves power
How you catch the wave is anybodys business, but
I reckon "GO WITH THE FLOW". Am I the only one who
agrees?
mollydooka
mollydooka
WA
252 posts
WA, 252 posts
1 May 2009 9:51am
planesailing said...


What I dont like seeing is people paddling while
surfing, either to go faster or make a section.
Its just my opinion, and it might start a discussion
but I prefer to see surfing just using the waves power
How you catch the wave is anybodys business, but
I reckon "GO WITH THE FLOW". Am I the only one who
agrees?


Nope. If you can use the paddle to make a section, why wouldn't you
hilly
hilly
WA
8132 posts
WA, 8132 posts
1 May 2009 12:43pm
mollydooka said...


Nope. If you can use the paddle to make a section, why wouldn't you


I agree might as well ride a longboard if you do not use the paddle. The extra speed you can generate is what makes crap waves fun again.
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
1525 posts
NSW, 1525 posts
1 May 2009 2:45pm
planesailing said...

I agree. Using the paddle helps turn tighter.
What I dont like seeing is people paddling while
surfing, either to go faster or make a section.
Its just my opinion, and it might start a discussion
but I prefer to see surfing just using the waves power
How you catch the wave is anybodys business, but
I reckon "GO WITH THE FLOW". Am I the only one who
agrees?


Nah, don't agree-don't forget it is PADDLE surfing-on a short board I'll pump and turn the board to get the speed and glide to make a section-on a PADDLE board, I'll paddle my arse off! Kinda' goes with the territory for me-same as using the paddle to turn-I really enjoy swinging the paddle from forehand to backhand-using it as a prop for turns.
planesailing
planesailing
WA
380 posts
WA, 380 posts
1 May 2009 2:00pm
Thought this might spark some comment Lol.
Its purely my opinion I like to see more soul
in surfing.... Just making the comment.
I've seen some guys going crazy (eggbeaters)
trying to surf on some waves. I guess i just
prefer the layed back approach, If i miss it
I will get the next one. Heheheheh!
Other comments about "may as well ride a Mal"
isnt that what we are doing anyway?
planesailing
planesailing
WA
380 posts
WA, 380 posts
1 May 2009 2:01pm
Thought this might spark some comment Lol.
Its purely my opinion I like to see more soul
in surfing.... Just making the comment.
I've seen some guys going crazy (eggbeaters)
trying to surf on some waves. I guess i just
prefer the layed back approach, If i miss it
I will get the next one. Heheheheh!
Other comments about "may as well ride a Mal"
isnt that what we are doing anyway?
planesailing
planesailing
WA
380 posts
WA, 380 posts
1 May 2009 2:03pm
X2 ??? Damn windows machines
elbeau
elbeau
WA
988 posts
WA, 988 posts
1 May 2009 2:32pm
Look I agree with you Plane in principal. Longboarding essentially is about grace and it is not very graceful scratching to keep up with a flat section.
Bit like shortboarders doing the orangutan jump.
Paddles are very useful for flicking dog poo out in to the bush, after the poo factory has again opened up on the track to the surf.
mollydooka
mollydooka
WA
252 posts
WA, 252 posts
1 May 2009 2:38pm
planesailing said...


Other comments about "may as well ride a Mal"
isnt that what we are doing anyway?


No, that's what you're doing. Hilly, Loco, yours truly & the vast majority of paddle-surfers out there use our paddles to generate speed on the wave, make it through fat sections, cut-back, etc etc. I've just come back from a 3-hour session. As it was small the paddle got a real workout, & I don't "eggbeat".
But each to their own. If you prefer riding your sup like a mal, go for it. It's all about having fun, & everyone's got a different style. Very expensive "mal" though
rodriguez
rodriguez
VIC
883 posts
VIC, 883 posts
1 May 2009 4:44pm
No plainsailing cant agree, as a goofyfoot it can and is a real benefit in first catching up and then pulling in tighter,also helps project you into reos and floaters. I agree with Hilly, you can make more sections in crappy surf by using your paddle, and i dont think you have to loose your style because your using a paddle.Rodriguez
Multihull1
Multihull1
QLD
130 posts
QLD, 130 posts
1 May 2009 5:08pm
you can still have plenty of style with a paddle.
It Is Stand UP "PAddle" Boarding isnt it??
I think if you've got style when you surf it will ultimately cross over to your SUP.
Sometimes i cant believe well you know what i mean
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
QLD, 19804 posts
1 May 2009 5:50pm
high as a kite said...

Hi all,
I've noticed while viewing SUP video's that most of the guys that are ripping actually use their paddle whilst turning.

Up until now I've only surfed waves the traditional way. (still on L plates )

What are the pro & con's in this technique?

Ian

i went through this subject myself, i got a lot of different answers.i might state now that before i did standup i had some surf coaching by richo. first up i don,t change sides while surfing - right or lefts. i'm a natural footer and the paddle stays on the right side. for me changing sides is clumsy.i use the paddle on all turns, what i do is not leave the paddle in too long. this allows me to still use good basic surfing technique which comprises of-compression and extension, rotation and weighting back and forthe.i tried using the paddle on my left hand side when going left, but it just felt weird.i had to rotate my body to do it and then i had nothing left to turnup the wave.i not making out i,m some guru, i still have a lot to learn. i reckon you will just work it out yourself naturally as you keep supping




boardbumps
boardbumps
NSW
698 posts
NSW, 698 posts
1 May 2009 6:56pm
Hi Ian,
everyone goes thru this stage. Your not really sure of what to do with the paddle on the wave or how to do it.

The basic bottom turn is pretty simple, but takes a bit of practice and that really is the secret, practice, pratice.

For bottom turns all the answers are the same, put the paddle onto the face of the wave and lean on it and you will pivot around it. Later on as you get better you can slide the paddle and control the amount of power you use.

Just remember that the BACK of the paddle is used for bottom turning. For this reason I prefer to use a 10 degree blade rather than the standard 12 degrees. 10 degrees slides much better when your trying to control the power and doesn't dig into the wave fave as deep.

When it comes to cut backs, going from a forehand bottom turn to a backhand turn, there are three ways to do this.

The way I prefer is to push off the lip at the nose of my board with the front of my blade. I do this because this way does not twist my back too much and I get to keep the paddle on the inside of my board at all times, I have a chronic back injury and hate twisting my toprso too much, it hurts.

There is another way that lets you keep the paddle on the inside of your board at all times but causes you to twist your back. What you do is dig the paddle into the wave on your inside rail but behind your body and pivot off this.

The 3rd way is to put your paddle onto the outside of your rail and behind your body and pull / pivot yourself around the paddle. You have to then switch the paddle back to the inside of your board for the next bottom turn. This way really torques you torso and I don't use it at all. This method is also the prefered method for cutting back when you are surfing back hand and is really easy to do and does not cause too much twisting. I call this the pull cutback and is the opposite of the push cut back that I use all the time.

Bit of a novel, but I hope this makes things clearer.

I had to copy to my clip board to answer this post the modem dropped out again, the usual expletive deletives.

Rod
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