Link to survay closing on 6 April 2010:

http://www.joondalup.wa.gov.au/Govern/CommunityConsultation/DraftBeachManagementPlan.aspx

No worries!

Spread a word and fill the comments at the end of survey!

everybody just hold back on those forms," very important" please wait,
Tony, mullaloo user group.

look, waksa, mulluz user group & others are on the case, please hold back on filling the form out, if you need more info and don't understand PLEASE WAIT, pm waksa or leemings,
thanks Tony

Ok, I've deleted my new post about survey at WAKSA forum.

No problem...

Hi all,

Just to reiterate what was said by The Walks and WAKSA. Please do not complete the online survey yet. It is essential that the kiting community sticks together and has one united message to Joondalup City Council. We are currently working on exactly the best way forward, not only for Mullaloo, or the beaches in Joondalup shire, but as this may bee seen as a bit of a WA test case, this is important for all WA kiters. As it has been said we have until the 6th April to feedback - early feedback is not counted any more than feedback on the 6th, so if everyone can just hold fire until we have a united strategy. Once we have this we will let you all know and you can feed consistent comments back into the consultation process.

Cheers
Dave
Mullaloo Kiters User Group

everything about your post makes no sense, come and meet us at mulluz and maybe have a kite aswell, then you may want to remove it.

I think it's kind of irrelevant anyway. If the by-law does not get passed and Kitesurfers are allowed to kite relatively unrestricted it's only a matter of time before there are more incidents, more complaints and the issue gets raised again. As far as I've seen there has been very little that the Kitesurfing community has done to ingratiate themselves with other beach/ocean goers, there has been little to no self policing, there has been no acceptance or comprehension that Kiting could be possibly adversely affecting other people and I think this has been demonstrated by the opposition to this by-law and the general attitude of Kiters in and around Perth. Accept that Kiting will be restricted and be happy that you still have somewhere to Kite. The next step will be a complete banning of Kiting around the Pinnaroo, Mullaloo areas and this is not an unrealistic reality. I just don't understand why nothing was done sooner, sticking your head in the sand and hoping Kiting won't get banned or restricted then jumping up and down hysterically when it becomes a liklihood....

Hey Zed,

What do you think WAKSA's all about!

Cheers
Rich

maybe we should ban cyclists from the road aswell.

Zed said...

I think it's kind of irrelevant anyway. If the by-law does not get passed and Kitesurfers are allowed to kite relatively unrestricted it's only a matter of time before there are more incidents, more complaints and the issue gets raised again. As far as I've seen there has been very little that the Kitesurfing community has done to ingratiate themselves with other beach/ocean goers, there has been little to no self policing, there has been no acceptance or comprehension that Kiting could be possibly adversely affecting other people and I think this has been demonstrated by the opposition to this by-law and the general attitude of Kiters in and around Perth. Accept that Kiting will be restricted and be happy that you still have somewhere to Kite. The next step will be a complete banning of Kiting around the Pinnaroo, Mullaloo areas and this is not an unrealistic reality. I just don't understand why nothing was done sooner, sticking your head in the sand and hoping Kiting won't get banned or restricted then jumping up and down hysterically when it becomes a liklihood....

Dead on Andrash,

Cheers
Rich

Zed said...

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which is totally negated by every single thing he goes onto say after making this first false claim.

What I was saying is that I know for certain some of the guys have been filling in the survey at Joondalup shire web site trying to rig the vote. I know for sure that the shire are aware of this and dont look on this form of attack lightly. All Im sayinh is use ya brains and look at further north near Burns Beach etc, at least we can win that knowing that Pinnaroo is too busy now.

Riptorn, you sure you are actually a kiter and not someone masquerading as one?. Are you a bit worried that kiters might actually influence the survey? Sorry, mate, but you dont convince me!

Mark _australia said...
For me it is hard - I am very conflicted.

On one hand I don't want to see you guys banned / restricted as I can empathise. Having windsurfed for 17yrs I'd very upset if they were doing it to us.

Start getting upset then mate, at the last meeting at MSLSC to discuss and question the Draft plan, all the residents in opposition to kiting are also trying to have the windsurfers re-classified as highly conflicting too. That will put you in the same boat as the kiters, and so now your rights are being threatened too. 17 years of poling are about to start unravelling. Now you have something to complain about and can really empathise for real.

Good luck to us all.

KH

Here we go again........I stick to my comments from previous thread...........the below is must reading for Joondalup Council and the negative people who lobby for kiting bans. It may be harsh reading on what is supposed to be a happy site, but I have real problems with government rule makers because their inability to make good decisions.

As far as I am concerned Joondalup Council is full of not to bright people who have a lot to answer for...............yes, you are morons in cushy government jobs because you know how to crawl up the right ass hole and respond to the hysterical minority in the community.

For one, how could you have allowed the real estate development in your Shire to proceed over the years as you have? Many suburbs north of the river (and south now too) are quick buck chop chop developments with absolutely no thought to the future. We have a northern coast full of MacMansions with little to no trees, house next to house, with wrong orientation for climate so they need air con and heating. Joondalup Council has helped developers create the future ghettos of Perth. Just wait until the "boom" runs its course......and it will eventually (10-15 yrs). The Council is owned by the developers who are driven by their greed for the quick buck.............you sad kn lot!

And second, don't you Council people have a hell of a lot more important things to be dealing with than what is going on at the beach......like the crime and bored youth that is rampant in your Council..........or is that in the kn too hard basket for y'all?

Many people today are mortgaged to the limit and perhaps there is no money for kites..........because you know the kids want to do it and are pestering (the hysterical minority). So the easy solution for mom, is to complain about kiters. Why can't their kids be happy with what they did like surf life saving and swimming. No, let the kids be bored, take drugs, rob people and roam the suburbs in sad mini gangs.......emulating the hood in LA.

Councils and organisations by nature want to create more rules so that they can increase their power and justify larger budgets to hire the people to enforce the new rules.........and of course they hire people dumber than themselves so they are never challenged.

Joondalup Council, is packed with nit wits and surely whatever they do will not be followed by other councils in Australia because everyone is not as stupid as they are.........or are they?