Should death-leashes have releases at both ends ?

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waveslave
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17 May 2011 10:20pm
If it only saved one life ...
it would be justified.
getfunky
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17 May 2011 11:32pm

YES, but may be fiddly and easily released by mistake.
Also may tangle more creating a hazard. Good design will overcome these hurdles tho.

BTW - I prefer the term safety leash.



Charl dv
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18 May 2011 1:02am
yes. because kiting just needs a bee's dick more tech kookout action
radman4
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18 May 2011 7:00am
Its pointless because theres no way you can reach the far end once youve released the chicken loop,however it probably would be a good idea as the amount of newbs that turn up here with it hooked up the wrong way round is incredible,to the point where i had to argue with a guy on the beach the other day cos he was adamant he had it rigged properly cos that how his instructor told him to rig it,the only way he would listen was when we releasd his loop to test it and there was no way he could then release the safty,unless his arm grew a metre or so.
Prawnhead
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18 May 2011 9:13am
waveslave said...

If it only saved one life ...
it would be justified.


Man........ where's Dude?
Spacemonkey!
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18 May 2011 10:15am
It's astounding that someone that has never used a death leash can post so many threads about it.
waveslave
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18 May 2011 10:39am
radman4 said...
it probably would be a good idea as the amount of newbs that turn up here with it hooked up the wrong way round is incredible


Right-on. ^^^
This is precisely my motive for posting my question.
Death-leashes can be easily clipped on backwards causing folks injuries or worse.
Having a release at both ends may idiot-proof the attachment to some extent.
However, the current death-leash device is still a primitive and dangerous, third-rate kite management system - fully endorsed by naive organizations like WAKSA and co.
Stevo J
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18 May 2011 10:57am
Slave, do you have any confirmed stats on deaths by 'death leashes' as you really seem unable to let this whole thing go...? Or is it just that when you were learning you attached yours the wrong way and had a wewy wewy bad expewience??
waveslave
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18 May 2011 11:10am
Hi Stevo,
Search for a thread called 'Kitemare at Pt Walter'.
Shan posted a warning about her near-death experience all due to a stupid death-leash.
She was lucky she wasn't killed.
Others have not been so fortunate.
It's all on record - do a search.
sir ROWDY
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18 May 2011 11:17am
I reckon leashes should have no quick releases and everyone should have to ride pulley bars again, wean out the stupid.
Stevo J
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18 May 2011 11:27am
I read that thread at the time Slave. It's just that you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with the whole leash story when there are so many other things that can also potentially go wrong whilst kiting. I just wonder - and I'm sure it will come as no surprise to you that I'm not alone here, why you chose this cause to bang on endlessly about??
bobjaan
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18 May 2011 11:31am
The simple answer is not the leash, I have no quick release on my "Death Leash" and have never had a problem.

If the sh!t hits the fan then my release is on my harness.

Always in the same place, always within reaching distance.
Never put on the wrong way around.
The harness is the best place to put any last resort quick release.

Check it out.
Best invention ever.

http://www.kiteboarding.com/proddetail.asp?prod=SLNGSHT_SRFRSPREADRBR

waveslave
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18 May 2011 11:40am
Stevo J said...
I just wonder - and I'm sure it will come as no surprise to you that I'm not alone here, why you chose this cause to bang on endlessly about??


Don't you think a safety improvement to a device that kills is worth pursuing ?
I'm just concerned about your welfare, Stevo.
Is that so bad ?

Spacemonkey!
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18 May 2011 1:12pm
Why stop at 2 QR's?
oceanfire
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18 May 2011 2:12pm

... may idiot-proof...


I think a lot of things shouldn't be made idiot-proof.

The less idiots around the better IMO. [}:)]
NSW, 4382 posts
18 May 2011 5:16pm
Spacemonkey! said...

Why stop at 2 QR's?


Yep why not make the whole leash out of a continuous link of QR's, you might be onto something here?

Charl dv
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18 May 2011 3:27pm
serious question: im considering ditching my death leash due to all the crazy sh!t it causes. im learning bulk spinny flicky thingos so what happens when i crash and let go of my bar? do i swim after the kite or should i have 20 kites pumped on the beach ready to go?
what happens to all the people down wind when my kite does a runner?
do you think we can be friends after i ditch mine?
can you show me how to take it off my harness?
TurtleHunter
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18 May 2011 3:27pm
Maybe they should ban anything being connected to a kite, just to be safe.
Seemed pretty safe just holding on when I learnt. Anyone down wind of me were in danger though.
radman4
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18 May 2011 3:41pm
there are a lot of different style leashes on the market ,two of the best i have used are the latest naish and griffin style ones,basic design just a foam covered pu tube and a stainless pin works every time and is a grab and push away system just like the main release so no confusion,some of the worst ones are the loop or strap pull ones ,they seem to work 50% of the time and are a pain in the arse.
Basically you shoud test your system under load (hook it to a static object and lead hard into it) to see how it works and get used to it,i've had ones in the past that jam under load if you have one like this swap it for a good one,most modern ones work well but beware of old rubbish.
hamburglar
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18 May 2011 6:51pm
Charl dv said...

serious question: im considering ditching my death leash due to all the crazy sh!t it causes. im learning bulk spinny flicky thingos so what happens when i crash and let go of my bar?......kite flys away

do i swim after the kite or should i have 20 kites pumped on the beach ready to go?.....i would go the 20 kites unless you can swim like Thorpy in his prime

what happens to all the people down wind when my kite does a runner?....have insurance or you do a runner

do you think we can be friends after i ditch mine?....No

can you show me how to take off my harness?....only if you have (.)(.) and are easy


cwamit
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18 May 2011 6:18pm

dude "that was such a narly session"

man "yeah dude i was tweaking out some serious tricks"

dude "but man what happened "

man "i had to let go dude , it all went to shyte"

dude "your soooo lucky man, you didnt have a death leash"

man "yeah a good call, could of been worse"

dude " i duno man"

man " ?!##$%!?"

dude "the 12 year old kid downwind your kite fked up...."

man "dude thats just the sport, its extreem"

dude "oh yeah"
Charl dv
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18 May 2011 7:22pm
hamburglar said...

Charl dv said...

serious question: im considering ditching my death leash due to all the crazy sh!t it causes. im learning bulk spinny flicky thingos so what happens when i crash and let go of my bar?......kite flys away

do i swim after the kite or should i have 20 kites pumped on the beach ready to go?.....i would go the 20 kites unless you can swim like Thorpy in his prime

what happens to all the people down wind when my kite does a runner?....have insurance or you do a runner

do you think we can be friends after i ditch mine?....No

can you show me how to take off my harness?....only if you have (.)(.) and are easy





so how does it come back if it flies away?
i put thorpe in his prime to shame
i like the running idea, theyd be so tied up they wont even notice!
that sucks i was going to show you my basement
i dont have googley eyes but i am easy... if ur attractive.
doonut
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18 May 2011 7:46pm
north leashes have a relese on the harness end i thort this was a standard thingy muboby
getfunky
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19 May 2011 11:33am
radman4 said...

there are a lot of different style leashes on the market ,two of the best i have used are the latest naish and griffin style ones,basic design just a foam covered pu tube and a stainless pin works every time and is a grab and push away system just like the main release so no confusion,some of the worst ones are the loop or strap pull ones ,they seem to work 50% of the time and are a pain in the arse.
Basically you shoud test your system under load (hook it to a static object and lead hard into it) to see how it works and get used to it,i've had ones in the past that jam under load if you have one like this swap it for a good one,most modern ones work well but beware of old rubbish.


Same for my eclipse release. Never released accidentally, worked like a charm when I had too.

I don't do flicky spinny giddy stuff so wear mine clipped (clips both at harness and bar ends) to the ring on my harness. Same side every time. Locating it in a sh!t vs fan incident is super easy. Slides off easy as. On one occasion (whilst on the water) I did realise I had clipped back to front so maybe a static fitting at harness end and clip at bar end is better?

IMExp velcro strap releases are kn useless, unreliable and should have disappeared years ago! If you have one, fk it orf and get a toob/pin set-up. Better design, safer, easier, more reliable.
waveslave
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19 May 2011 12:14pm
Charl dv said...

what happens to all the people down wind when my kite does a runner?





I see kites doing 'runners' all the time.
Not surprisingly, these same kites had been rigged on a death-leash.
A death-leash that failed ... as shown in the above photo. ^^^

lol.
djdojo
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19 May 2011 3:21pm
Slave, if you really gave a sh!t you would design and publicise a system that works in line with your ideas and standards, including functioning for those who unhook and drop the bar now and then. You would patent and retain rights on the design but make it available to all manufacturers at a trivial cost. That way kiters stay even safer, you get an ego rub, you also get some royalty pocket money, and the cost of kites goes up a tiny amount that nobody really notices.

Put your money/brain/good intentions where your mouth is or spend the rest of your life as a ranting outcast.
GalahOnTheBay
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19 May 2011 3:31pm
Kitepower Australia said...

Spacemonkey! said...

Why stop at 2 QR's?

Yep why not make the whole leash out of a continuous link of QR's, you might be onto something here?


Bahahahahahaha - gold!
hamburglar
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19 May 2011 3:48pm
Charl dv said...

hamburglar said...

Charl dv said...

serious question: im considering ditching my death leash due to all the crazy sh!t it causes. im learning bulk spinny flicky thingos so what happens when i crash and let go of my bar?......kite flys away

do i swim after the kite or should i have 20 kites pumped on the beach ready to go?.....i would go the 20 kites unless you can swim like Thorpy in his prime

what happens to all the people down wind when my kite does a runner?....have insurance or you do a runner

do you think we can be friends after i ditch mine?....No

can you show me how to take off my harness?....only if you have (.)(.) and are easy





so how does it come back if it flies away?......apparently you get it back 3 or 4 months later when a fisherman finds it (seen on thread some where on here)not to sure of condition

i put thorpe in his prime to shame.....mmm would like to see that ,maybe i could spent your millions of dollars- oops i mean be your manager


i like the running idea, theyd be so tied up they wont even notice! ....

that sucks i was going to show you my basement ......thought yude be the basement type
i dont have googley eyes but i am easy. if ur attractive.....these are boobs(.)(.) not googley eyes and don't think i'm your type sorry, i don't wear dresses


au_rick
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19 May 2011 4:48pm
waveslave said...

Hi Stevo,
Search for a thread called 'Kitemare at Pt Walter'.
Shan posted a warning about her near-death experience all due to a stupid death-leash.
She was lucky she wasn't killed.
Others have not been so fortunate.
It's all on record - do a search.


Kitemare at Pt Walter was caused by a "SUICIDE" leash (named for good reason) and a lot different form a SAFETY leash.

Keep bangin' the drum 'Slave !
herbyburger
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19 May 2011 6:24pm
<<<<<Whats that double ended thing going through your
skull slave?? Sure looks kinky.. Not your design for a death leash
is it?
kk
kk
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19 May 2011 7:15pm
herbyburger said...

<<<<<Whats that double ended thing going through your
skull slave?? Sure looks kinky.. Not your design for a death leash
is it?


I think it's.............. Nah can't say what I think, we're supposed to be nice.

But it does look like a penis in each ear....

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