So is this you?

More to the point I hope Katie more than enjoys the act required to make the baby,

Everyone is kind of down on Katie here eh. Could it be that she is an extremely nice person that has her head together enough to know her clock is ticking, that she wants to have children and that if she waits to be married she may be too old. She could wait for prince charming miss her chance and regret it for ever. This way she gets to fulfill her biological purpose and still has a chance to meet prince charming later on.

In a modern world with a good support network there are no reasons a collected woman could not raise a child well.

Good on ya Katie.

japie said...

CMC said...

More to the point I hope Katie more than enjoys the act required to make the baby,

Everyone is kind of down on Katie here eh. Could it be that she is an extremely nice person that has her head together enough to know her clock is ticking, that she wants to have children and that if she waits to be married she may be too old. She could wait for prince charming miss her chance and regret it for ever. This way she gets to fulfill her biological purpose and still has a chance to meet prince charming later on.

In a modern world with a good support network there are no reasons a collected woman could not raise a child well.

Good on ya Katie.

Piffle!

yeah must be a female posting...sad face

Controversial subject. lots of emotion here, but this threads gettin kinda weird

Simondo said...

Our friend Katie (not her real name, or maybe it is...) has been a bit unlucky with love over the years. She's actually reasonably attractive, and likes a drink. Which is probably a minor problem with her.... She never gets totally smashed, but often she should have aimed for 2-3 less drinks over the night.... Only a small problem, nothing serious....

Anyway, she's 39 I think, and she feels her time is running out.... She's set herself up with a house and sports car, but now wants a baby....

She's signing up for IVF, but there's nothing wrong with her, and she really only needs either artifical insemination, or just... plain old insemination !!

She's unlikely to even chase the father up.... I say "unlikely"....

Question 1 - is it legally possibile to sign a document which excuses the biological father from financial support?

Question 2 - and if so, do any of you Melbourne Breezers want a Saturday Night hook up !?

Before IVF, she's heading to Europe for part of their summer to try her luck !!
(She informs us that IVF costs $9k - probably about the same as a good European vacation!)

Sincerely,
Simondo "The Pimp" !

All women get the urge to have kids...it's what you do with that urge that counts...
I have never been in one place long enough to consider having one and ending my Gypsy lifestyle.

But I must admit I love borrowing my neighbours for a couple of hours a week but thats only happened in the last year or so.

CMC said...

More to the point I hope Katie more than enjoys the act required to make the baby,

Everyone is kind of down on Katie here eh. Could it be that she is an extremely nice person that has her head together ...

Stop right there! What she wants to do is a clear statement that she doesn't have her head together. Whoever it was who said that he hopes the new baby matches her new furniture and her sports car etc etc hit the nail right on the head.

wodgina6722 said...

japie said...

FormulaNova said...

japie said...

A child without a father, or a mother, is far more likely to grow up dysfunctional - like the prospective mother.

<snip>

The trouble with this statement is that it doesn't discriminate between bad single parents and good single parents. I suspect a child brought up by a working single parent with a balanced perspective would be a well balanced person.

A child bought up by two dysfunctional parents, would almost certainly be dysfunctional themselves.

Good point.

I read a really interesting article a few years ago on juvenile pacific islander crime in Australia. It is typical, apparently, for islander parents to see no wrong in their direct offspring and to allow them unlimited boundaries. This is a recipe or disaster over here but is not a problem in their society.

The reason is, is that when a child steps outside the boundaries where they come from their Uncle or Aunty is going to deliver them a message they will not forget. Mum and dad get to strengthen their bond whilst bathing the bruises.

Sounds just like a good excuse to me. Some races just cause trouble, it's hard wired.

Is that a fact? You may well be right and you have obviously put a lot of analytical thinking into it. Do you reckon you could do us all a favour and write a brief synopsis of your findings and publish it on here?

It would be pretty handy to know which races of people to avoid. The department of immigration could probably do with a few tips as well!

Oh, and should I cancel my August trip to Fiji? or is it safe when they are in their environment?

japie said...

wodgina6722 said...

japie said...

FormulaNova said...

japie said...

A child without a father, or a mother, is far more likely to grow up dysfunctional - like the prospective mother.

<snip>

The trouble with this statement is that it doesn't discriminate between bad single parents and good single parents. I suspect a child brought up by a working single parent with a balanced perspective would be a well balanced person.

A child bought up by two dysfunctional parents, would almost certainly be dysfunctional themselves.

Good point.

I read a really interesting article a few years ago on juvenile pacific islander crime in Australia. It is typical, apparently, for islander parents to see no wrong in their direct offspring and to allow them unlimited boundaries. This is a recipe or disaster over here but is not a problem in their society.

The reason is, is that when a child steps outside the boundaries where they come from their Uncle or Aunty is going to deliver them a message they will not forget. Mum and dad get to strengthen their bond whilst bathing the bruises.

Sounds just like a good excuse to me. Some races just cause trouble, it's hard wired.

Is that a fact? You may well be right and you have obviously put a lot of analytical thinking into it. Do you reckon you could do us all a favour and write a brief synopsis of your findings and publish it on here?

It would be pretty handy to know which races of people to avoid. The department of immigration could probably do with a few tips as well!

Oh, and should I cancel my August trip to Fiji? or is it safe when they are in their environment?

Here,here Japie,..... All Islanders are violent,all Americans are tall, All Germans are Nazi's,All.... blah blahbigotted blah

wodgina6722 said...

japie said...

FormulaNova said...

japie said...

A child without a father, or a mother, is far more likely to grow up dysfunctional - like the prospective mother.

<snip>

The trouble with this statement is that it doesn't discriminate between bad single parents and good single parents. I suspect a child brought up by a working single parent with a balanced perspective would be a well balanced person.

A child bought up by two dysfunctional parents, would almost certainly be dysfunctional themselves.

Good point.

I read a really interesting article a few years ago on juvenile pacific islander crime in Australia. It is typical, apparently, for islander parents to see no wrong in their direct offspring and to allow them unlimited boundaries. This is a recipe or disaster over here but is not a problem in their society.

The reason is, is that when a child steps outside the boundaries where they come from their Uncle or Aunty is going to deliver them a message they will not forget. Mum and dad get to strengthen their bond whilst bathing the bruises.

Sounds just like a good excuse to me. Some races just cause trouble, it's hard wired.

What's your basis for that? I think Japie's suggestion sounds like it has merit.

Guys, don't make assumptions about a person you don't know.... Don't generalise....

CMC summed it up....

For your information "Katie" is a nice person, with decent parents (although the old man hooked up with a girl only 4 years older than "Katie"! Not "Katie's" fault!), and with a modern support network and her nice friends and nice brother, I'm sure whatever she chooses, it will work out well for her. And at the least, she will be able to provide food, a nice home, and decent set of values.

IVF is probably the correct way... but I think she should do it with a bang the old fashioned way !!

It is definitely not a case of, Car, House, furniture, now a matching baby! Freaking hell guys, she is University Educated, I would have thought her thinking process was a bit deeper than that! She has seen a few of her friends have babies, and she is under no illusion of how hard it can be at times.

If you are a person that thinks that someone goes through the generic thought process of, "Car, House, furniture, now a matching baby", then I actually worry about your lack of intelligence, or at least worry about how you are able to have such a narrow minded (and opinionated) view of other people. I think that is actually directed towards "Hitler / Oliver?" and one or two others.

log man said...

CMC said...

More to the point I hope Katie more than enjoys the act required to make the baby,

Everyone is kind of down on Katie here eh. Could it be that she is an extremely nice person that has her head together enough to know her clock is ticking, that she wants to have children and that if she waits to be married she may be too old. She could wait for prince charming miss her chance and regret it for ever. This way she gets to fulfill her biological purpose and still has a chance to meet prince charming later on.

In a modern world with a good support network there are no reasons a collected woman could not raise a child well.

Good on ya Katie.

Here, here CMC, why do people feel the need to be so judgemental. I hope all goes well and their little family prospers.

Gwendy said...

far too many gross generalisations going on here people

Agree
I've reading this thread every few hours, but I've been letting it roll. Until this little series of "moderating"!

paddymac said...

I have a friend who has just done this Simondo. I'll call her Jane. She is forty something with a beautiful 10 month old baby girl. In her case, a male friend offered to donate sperm (insemination) AND play a role in the little girls life. Personally, I think that is a slightly more risky way to go ( a nearly dad ) - but it seems to be working fine. Jane was very close to her dad who died quite young, perhaps this influenced her decision. She has the support of her mum, and some very close friends with babies of similar age, including my wife and I. She is also very lucky that her business partner (and his wife) are very supportive and she has a job that allows flexible working arrangements.

The baby gives her mum great joy and will grow up with plenty of love and support - what could be wrong with that?

This is very interesting... Slightly risking, but seemingly working well for now. But I'm glad two people enjoyed conception! It's 2011, and adults should be able to deal with these types of events, well, like adults.... Without going "off the rails" mentally. So... am I reading this correctly.... Did she "bonk" her business partner? Or am I missing something? Either way, best wishes to "Jane"!

One of my friends is single, had her first child at 37, the father is in Scandinavia with no chance of moving over here. That has not stopped her little girl from growing up with a strong network of supportive people around her. Grandparents and friends. These are what helps grow a child, not just the parents. There is also regular contact with the father (skype, email).


Simondo - I can send you contact details for my friend, if your Katie is interested in talking with someone who has already done this.

I believe the children are our future.
Teach them well and let them lead the way.

Show them the beauty they possess inside.
Give them a since of pride.

bjw said...

I believe the children are our future.
Teach them well and let them lead the way.

Show them the beauty they possess inside.
Give them a since of pride.

Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be!