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evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
8 Oct 2012 4:58pm
I have a Water & Wastewater Rate Notice for a small townhouse I own. It's tenanted. Apparently they've used 206kL over 6 months, an average of 1,200 litres/day.

They're a nice couple with a young child. Frankly there's no way they've used that much. I've tried to explain to council that it's obviously a reading error of some sort, and after being on the phone for twenty minutes I couldn't get it across to them; that there's no way they've been using 1,000% their normal usage pattern. "Perhaps they had some people stay with them for Christmas?"

So I've had to write a letter to council and I'm looking for some creative writing skills to illustrate to them what 1,200 litres a day looks like.

So far I have:

1,200 litres/day is 600 two litre milk bottles. Every single day. For six months.
1,200 litres/day is 1.2 tonne of water a day. Every single day. For six months.
1,200 litres/day is 6 bathtubs full to the brim. Every single day. For six months.
1,200 litres/day is flooding the entire unit, both floors, with 1cm of water. Every single day. For six months.
1,200 litres/day is filling an average pool. Every single month. For six months.
lightwood
lightwood
VIC
392 posts
VIC, 392 posts
8 Oct 2012 5:05pm
When I first bought my house many moons ago the first bill was for 1200l a day. I nearly died. We had a plumber next door and he came and had a look, one of the toilets has such a small leak you could not even see it running down the back of the bowl. It was measures at 1000l a day. Put one of those blue things in the toilet and you will soon see if it's leaking.
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
8 Oct 2012 2:08pm
Maybe they were thirsty
sausage
sausage
QLD
4874 posts
QLD, 4874 posts
8 Oct 2012 4:14pm
Hydroponics in the ceiling?
Reflex Films
Reflex Films
WA
1462 posts
WA, 1462 posts
8 Oct 2012 2:29pm
had a faulty retic do this - because it was underground it took quite a bit of investigation to find it

i reckon we created a temporary aquifer under the house!

$900 water bill!!
bobajob
bobajob
QLD
1535 posts
QLD, 1535 posts
8 Oct 2012 4:31pm
Maybe it's not putting the lotion on its skin....
Pitbull
Pitbull
WA
1267 posts
WA, 1267 posts
8 Oct 2012 2:43pm
Reflex Films said...
had a faulty retic do this - because it was underground it took quite a bit of investigation to find it

i reckon we created a temporary aquifer under the house!

$900 water bill!!


Had the same problem (and same bill). Retic valve was leaking just behind the water meter. Called a plumber to fix and he sent paper work to Watercorp for a reimbursement due to undetected leak. Watercorp to refund 37kl.
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
8 Oct 2012 5:48pm
Reflex Films said...
had a faulty retic do this - because it was underground it took quite a bit of investigation to find it

i reckon we created a temporary aquifer under the house!

$900 water bill!!


A faulty retic eh? Will check it out.

Is that something the council might have installed near the or as part of the meter? New meters about six months before this fiasco.
Pitbull
Pitbull
WA
1267 posts
WA, 1267 posts
8 Oct 2012 2:53pm
evlPanda said...
Reflex Films said...
had a faulty retic do this - because it was underground it took quite a bit of investigation to find it

i reckon we created a temporary aquifer under the house!

$900 water bill!!


A faulty retic eh? Will check it out.

Is that something the council might have installed near the or as part of the meter? New meters about six months before this fiasco.


As my one was in a garden bed under bushs it was not easy to see until branches were moved then, voila! Big wet muddy patch.
Pitbull
Pitbull
WA
1267 posts
WA, 1267 posts
8 Oct 2012 2:55pm
evlPanda said...
Reflex Films said...
had a faulty retic do this - because it was underground it took quite a bit of investigation to find it

i reckon we created a temporary aquifer under the house!

$900 water bill!!


A faulty retic eh? Will check it out.

Is that something the council might have installed near the or as part of the meter? New meters about six months before this fiasco.


The problem should be with the water authority in your state. The council won't touch water meters.
lao shi
lao shi
WA
1349 posts
WA, 1349 posts
8 Oct 2012 3:19pm
I just had a 1200L a day bill.
Retic had been cut and buried (600mm below ground) by previous owner but valve from mains to retic left on. Eventually the solenoids must have leaked. 1440 mins in a day so 1/2L a min is not a huge leak and if it is buried under sandy soil no sign of a wet patch.

Now have to get plumber to come and replace the valve which worked but the tap part had completely corroded and had to use stilsons to close it. Surely all this stuff should be above ground!!!
Had to keep digging up pipe until I found the solenoids and then keep digging back until I found the main shut off!

I do think that the Water corp should have more frequent meter readings (even self reading) and a warning if your usage suddenly increases. 6 months is a long time between bills.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15105 posts
WA, 15105 posts
8 Oct 2012 3:30pm
evlPanda said...
Reflex Films said...
had a faulty retic do this - because it was underground it took quite a bit of investigation to find it

i reckon we created a temporary aquifer under the house!

$900 water bill!!


A faulty retic eh? Will check it out.

Is that something the council might have installed near the or as part of the meter? New meters about six months before this fiasco.



A 'retic' system is a water reticulation system that those guys over in WA use to keep their sandy front and back yards from being big sand pits and grow grass on.

You, in NSW, will be very unlikely to have one. Our dirt here has a much better chance of retaining moisture than their sand.

Can you do a basic test, and check what the numbers are on the water meter and compare them over a few days or weeks? If they have used that sort of volume of water, they are probably still using it, whether it is their usage or a fault/leak. The numbers will tell you this.

Get a plumber to check it out. There could be a leak somewhere after the meter.

I have a slight leak near my meter, but luckily it is on their side, so it won't show up on my meter.

Stuthepirate
Stuthepirate
SA
3591 posts
SA, 3591 posts
8 Oct 2012 6:04pm
evlPanda said...



So I've had to write a letter to council and I'm looking for some creative writing skills to illustrate to them what 1,200 litres a day looks like.

So far I have:

1,200 litres/day is 600 two litre milk bottles. Every single day. For six months.
1,200 litres/day is 1.2 tonne of water a day. Every single day. For six months.
1,200 litres/day is 6 bathtubs full to the brim. Every single day. For six months.
1,200 litres/day is flooding the entire unit, both floors, with 1cm of water. Every single day. For six months.
1,200 litres/day is filling an average pool. Every single month. For six months.


1,200 Litres/day is equivalent to masturbating 240,000 times. Every single day.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15105 posts
WA, 15105 posts
8 Oct 2012 3:35pm
sausage said...
Hydroponics in the ceiling?



I know you are joking, but you don't actually need much water in a hydroponics setup.
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
6525 posts
QLD, 6525 posts
8 Oct 2012 5:46pm
Before all that, try talking with them? Maybe they are clueless and/or DGAF, like many tenants. While our old house had tenants it was attacked by termites. Tenants noticed but didn't think it worth mentioning till we inspected and found it, even though this mysterious wood dust was falling all over their stuff. $5k later, damage fixed and chemical barrier. Shudder to think what would have happened if we didn't inspect for 3 more months.
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
8 Oct 2012 3:47pm
FormulaNova said...
sausage said...
Hydroponics in the ceiling?



I know you are joking, but you don't actually need much water in a hydroponics setup.


How do you know
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
8 Oct 2012 7:21pm
Also check that the water company (or subcontractor) actually read the meter

I had one where they didn't read the meter and just put in a random number for the reading.

If that is the case just ring up and you need to tell the water company the current reading, and they will re-issue the bill.
swoosh
swoosh
QLD
1929 posts
QLD, 1929 posts
8 Oct 2012 6:58pm
based on what i see in the media, the correct measures to use for volume are "olympic swimming pools", and if its a particularly large amount of water, "sydney harbours"
pweedas
pweedas
WA
4642 posts
WA, 4642 posts
8 Oct 2012 5:03pm
The first thing to do is determine if you have a leaky pipe somewhere. It happens quite often if the copper pipes were a bad batch.
It's easy to do.
Turn off all taps and make sure no one flushes the loo.
Read the water meter.
Wait 10 minutes.
Read it again. Make suire you read it right down to the litres dial.
If it hasn't moved then your pipes are fine, and the problem is either the meter was mis-read, (easy to do if it's an old style meter.)
Or, somehow the people used a truckload of water.

If it's a modern meter with just numbers to read like an odometer, then you can sit and watch the 'litres' dial rotate. A small leak will make it rotate very slowly but if you watch it for a minute or two you can see it move.

Keep in mind that if it leaks a litre in one minute then that adds up to 24 X 60 = 1440 litres per day. = 262Klitres in 6 months.

gibberjoe
gibberjoe
SA
956 posts
SA, 956 posts
8 Oct 2012 7:55pm

1x44gal drum [oil] = 210 litres, 5 drums = 10050 litres
echunda
echunda
VIC
765 posts
VIC, 765 posts
8 Oct 2012 8:45pm
1200 ltrs is only 2 x 30 minute showers under an older shower head.
Stuthepirate
Stuthepirate
SA
3591 posts
SA, 3591 posts
8 Oct 2012 8:21pm
echunda said...
1200 ltrs is only 2 x 30 minute showers under an older shower head.


Who has 30 min showers Honestly?
How dirty... oh wait... riiiiiight
gibberjoe
gibberjoe
SA
956 posts
SA, 956 posts
8 Oct 2012 10:36pm

1 olympic swimming pool divided by 44gal [oildrum] =3years use@ 1drum day
Pitbull
Pitbull
WA
1267 posts
WA, 1267 posts
8 Oct 2012 8:15pm
I think I've just received a degree in maths after reading all those equations!
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23684 posts
WA, 23684 posts
8 Oct 2012 8:19pm
FormulaNova said...
I have a slight leak near my meter, but luckily it is on their side, so it won't show up on my meter.




Ahhhh see Panda there's the answer.

Turn the meter around


Pitbull
Pitbull
WA
1267 posts
WA, 1267 posts
8 Oct 2012 8:22pm
Easier just to stand on the other side. Then it would be on the other side.
R0CKH0PPER
R0CKH0PPER
131 posts
131 posts
8 Oct 2012 8:47pm

If they dont think theres something wrong with 1200lts, then i think they may struggle to grasp your maths equations.

Id give them something visual to understand the situation





smicko
smicko
WA
2503 posts
WA, 2503 posts
8 Oct 2012 10:16pm
echunda said...
1200 ltrs is only 2 x 30 minute showers under an older shower head.


Bingo!!!
The average tap pumps out 20lt/min, so 1200lt a day really isn't that high, especially with young sprog. Just 1 full hour of tap time a day. Think about it 2 showers a day at 10 min each for 2 people adds up to 40min just there, factor in washing (esp nappies), dishwashers and any garden at all and 1200lt goes pretty quick.

Especially when you have to grow a cupboard full of stench to help pay the nigardly landlord.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23684 posts
WA, 23684 posts
8 Oct 2012 11:09pm
There is a bukkake world record that may be relevant, but I think you will get them off-side if you mention it.





To be serious though - In WA we pay for water use and that would be expensive.
But the water RATES are the same

Over there on 'toherside, do u as owner pay more for water rates if your tenants use more water?

Just curious
Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
7285 posts
WA, 7285 posts
9 Oct 2012 7:21am
1,128 litres / day is 206 kl / 6 months
113 litres / day would be normal usage if 1,128 litres / day is 1,000% of normal

1,128 litres / day is 1.76 times the average daily usage based on the ABS figures for NSW in 2009/2010 of 78kl per capita per year for household usage - assuming they didn't have anyone stay with them over Christmas

113 litres / day is 18% of the average daily usage based on the ABS figures for NSW in 2009/2010 of 78kl per capita per year for household usage - assuming they didn't have anyone stay with them over Christmas


perhaps the meter has been estimated for a while and you have been under-paying all those years and this year it has been read - and now it's time to pay. Time to pay.

Have you done some basic checks before you go abusing Council ? For example have you checked they don't have a pet hippopotamus ? The hippopotamus is semi-aquatic, inhabiting rivers, lakes and mangrove swamps, where territorial bulls preside over a stretch of river and groups of 5 to 30 females and young. Perhaps they have more than one ?

Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
7285 posts
WA, 7285 posts
9 Oct 2012 7:25am
1,200 litres / day is 1,600 bottles of 750ml of Strongbow cider - everyday
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