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Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
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16 Aug 2007 10:37pm
Being young and invincible I have recently gained a lust for a motorbike.
But im in a little bit of a pickle.
Reading the road rage thread shows the sh!t id be up against, but would the risk be worth the amazing fun a bike would be??
Being careful will only get me so far, it would only take one dickhead to clean me up.
Just wondering on some peoples opinions, or if any1 rides a bike?
The pros would be
-cheap (few parking fees, and fuel is saved
-fun
-sweet sound [}:)][}:)]
Cons
-dangerous
-getting kicked out of home
etc
thanks
poor relative
poor relative
WA
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16 Aug 2007 10:59pm
I rode a bike when i was a teenager and in later life all over different places in Asia...Long time ago.
Scared myself stupid, crashed, hurt myself and have never felt the urge to legalise my riding, get a license and buy a bike

Bikes i guess are fun until you crash then you wish you were in a car, i can see the buzz value though.

Greenpat here in the forums is an avid bike rider.....he will be better bloke to yarn to than me.
KEARNSY
KEARNSY
WA
1322 posts
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16 Aug 2007 11:13pm
aYe Dawn- I have been ridin bikes for years now and reckon ya should buy one now! I ride the 06 cbr600rr and reckon there aint nothing like goin for a crazy hack down the coast as the suns goin down! Ya can park em anywhere, cheap as to run, great fun when there's no surf or wind and chicks love em.

Ok picture this, would ya rather smash up ur car and be stuck inside ur burning wreck with a hot engine in ur lap spittin hot oil and coolant all over ya while you die a slow agonizing death, or have it all over with in a second if you were on the bike?? As for safety , sure, ur always goin to have doods cut ya off on purpose and hassle abit but at the end of the day its what keeps it interesting and different.
I say get one and ride it like ya stole it bro! Muahahaha[}:)]
poor relative
poor relative
WA
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16 Aug 2007 11:19pm
quote:
Ok picture this, would ya rather smash up ur car and be stuck inside ur burning wreck with a hot engine in ur lap spittin hot oil and coolant all over ya while you die a slow agonizing death, or have it all over with in a second if you were on the bike??


Thats a damn tough choice
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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16 Aug 2007 11:34pm
Errr... rather be out sailing?

Richiefish
Richiefish
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17 Aug 2007 8:35am
go the postie scooter with a milk crate on the back.
ka43
ka43
NSW
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17 Aug 2007 10:45am
Do what me and a bunch of windsurfing mates did, get dirt bikes.
Sure, its a bit more hassle to load trailers etc but out in the bush or trails its sweet as. No other knob drivers, you can pretty much do what you want and it gets all that energy into something different.
Sail spring, summer and autumn and bike ride winter.
Riding on the road is like being a statistic waiting to happen.
My opinion.
Revhead
Revhead
ACT
372 posts
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17 Aug 2007 12:40pm
I look at it this way… when you ride a motorbike you have lots of fun, save money and park anywhere.
You save maybe $40 a week, that’s maybe $2000 per year, plus rego is cheaper, so lets say you save $4000 per year all inclusive. Over 10 years, that’s $40,000.
And they’re fun.
But when you get on a bike, you risk your ability to walk, use 2 arms, and live. Lets be real about the risk, as soon as you ride out your driveway, you place these items on the table and hope that you win them back at the end of the ride. Drivers are not aware enough and there are accidents. Accidents happen. If you are on a bike when an accident happens, you may be one of the 5% of riders who survive with minor or no injuries. Or more likely you will be in the majority who suffer serious injury. Serious injury means loss of limbs, sitting in a wheel chair forever, not being able to speak or move, or dead. My mates fiancé is a nurse and she has seen the injured riders come into hospital with these injuries, and a few times she’s seen them without a head attached.
So you might save $40,000 over ten years (lets make it $100,000 for this argument), but is it worth suffering those injuries? What would you rather, $100,000 over 10 years or the ability to walk and live? I recognise it doesn’t happen to everyone, but the odds are astonishing. And yes, I have owned bikes and am licenced, but to me the saving and fun is far outweighed by the thought of serious injury.
Its not the skill of the rider either, which determines who lives and who is injured of killed, its luck. And it is luck because you are putting your life in the hands of the other people on the rode and trusting them.
If you want to know more, go to a hospital and ask a dr or nurse about it, and ask them to walk you around the hospital.
Another way to look at it, imagine an injured rider lying in hospital recovering, if you said to the rider, would you pay $100,000 over 10 years to have your health back, you know what the response would be.
That’s my thoughts, others might think otherwise.
kitecrazzy
kitecrazzy
WA
77 posts
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17 Aug 2007 11:11am
i was/am looking for a bike, i was really enthusiastic about it even with the really long and difficult learning system with shadows ect but then i was driving along and a mc came past, i dont mind-just think one day and then he got cut off by some douche probably on their phone and he did the old "if i didnt race every saturday and have lightning reactions i would be dead" and ever since ive thought not for me... ive nearly been run over at least 4 times on the pushy from cars not seeing me/on the phone and cant turn the wheel so cut the corner with me on the inside ect
perth drivers cant use indicators/check blind spots/see mcs/judge on coming car speeds. so your pretty much asking for trouble
getfunky
getfunky
WA
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17 Aug 2007 11:43am
Hi DP,

Yep I rode bikes only (no car at all) for a few years in my early 20s after yearning for one my whole life. Other than surfing and kiting nothing comes close to the feeling.

Why don't i ride anymore? Well i am here for a long time not just a good time...

Laying over a roadbike on the twisties until your knees nearly touch down is a nirvana-like experience. Unfortunately though it is the f**kwit tin tops on the road that will most likely kill ya. They came dam close to getting me many, many times, including a k n ob that cleaned me up after cruising through a red light and taking me down, who said "geez, I might have to get my brakes fixed now...". That is the mentallity you are dealing with mate. They almost think you deserve having your face spread accross the tarmac.

Also - having ridden/driven in most states in Oz - Perth has the worst and most ignorant/territorial/selfish drivers around.

Riding bikes ultimately cost me the ability to surf as my shoulder couldn't really rotate properly after my last write-off (and subsequent ops). 2 bikes - both written off . This is the reality you may have to face. Your love for bikes may cost you even more dearly. Fancy eating from a straw and having a someone wipe your butt for the rest of your life? Neither did I.

Don't make the mistake I did of trading in my car for bikes - have both if you can afford it. Better still go for a traily and stay away from the roads i reckon. I had to ride in the most shocking conditions every single day, and in hailing down peak hour bikes are not fun at all. The skid marks were not confined to the road

Some guys last for years on the road and have exceptional luck. Most run out of luck (or smarts) at one time or another (yes, i was both for sure). My uncle (who road for about 15 years) tried in vain to talk me out of it, relating the story of what made him give up. He arrived at a accident scene to see a guy who he had chatted to at a road stop hours earlier, having run into the back of a truck that pulled out in front of him, literally smearing his face accross the truck... Even that wasn't enough for me, I had to learn myself (doh!).

Looking back now I also regret the stress my folks went through (even though i had to split from home to get one also). I'd hate to be in their shoes these days for sure.

If you still want to, go the traily maybe? They are not safe by any stretch but the 'get-offs' tend be not as bad?? Maybe??

Good luck either way bud.

stribo
stribo
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17 Aug 2007 4:45pm

"Being young and invincible"

Right there is the reason you should'nt get one.With that attitude you will surely die or be mamed.
I have a bike . A cb200 lol I waited untill i was 35 before i got my licence and started small.
It's a lottery every time you hit the road.
Check stats for motorcycle deaths per age group........
Enough said
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
17 Aug 2007 6:22pm
Thanks for all the replys!
yeah im not sure. but i came up with what i think is a better idea, and that would be getting a couple of good years of driving a car under my belt. Which would hopefully give me a better awareness of what the drivers are all doing.
i also thought that you only live once, and you can get cancer and die at 23yrs old, so making the most of life would be good, but it could be the making the most of it that cuts it short!!!!!
the noone wins.
It is a twisted circle.
thanks again.

p.s "Being young and invincible" i was only being sarcastic, that is definately a quick way to end up 6feet under
Steptoes Son
Steptoes Son
QLD
88 posts
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17 Aug 2007 11:42pm
Dawn Patrol.
Rode cafe style road bikes from the age of 16-20. Very much into the racing thing in the Adelaide hills. No regard for others on the road or the hazards like poles, trees, guard rails, kerbs etc. It was one hell of a buzz. However I'm surprised that all my brothers and myself actually got through that period. Gave up because you can't carry enough gear on the bike.
Still entertain the thought that one day I may buy a nice old Ducati and cruise around for some two wheeled recreation.

All my family. Dad, two brothers and myself ended up in hospital at one stage or another. My eldest brother gave up and took up Sailboarding as he smashed his legs to a pulp on the race track in the late 70s. Next Bro owns a bike shop in Adelaide still in the game but does'nt ride so much anymore. I still get pains in my foot from a crush injury and sore in the lower back from a cracked vertebea..

It's all a barrel of laughs until you end up living long enough to feel the effects of it all. Was counting on not living past 30, I was wrong.

Cheers
Wineman
Wineman
NSW
1412 posts
NSW, 1412 posts
18 Aug 2007 12:09am
Dawn Patrol,
as you can see.....a lot of us have been there...done that.

Listen to what is behind almost every reply in this thread.

I LOVE RIDING BIKES
But I rarely do on the road now.... it's a % thing
i did a lot of kms (many at high speed) and was very, very lucky.

as the guys have said..get a dirt bike & do it off road with some mates..
& just buy a cheapish car to get around
sinker
sinker
WA
255 posts
WA, 255 posts
20 Aug 2007 4:33pm
Got to second Wineman's reply, get yourself a dirtbike, you can still hurt yourself but at least you lower the odds of being flattened by a truck.

I had a motocross bike which kept me off the roads when I was a kid. I knew 2 people killed on roadbikes and heaps who broke bones.

However...

If you were to stupidly ignore all the excellent advice then you should get a black Truimph speed triple....MMMmmmm Trippppllllleeeeeyyyyy

www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=5617
stribo
stribo
QLD
1628 posts
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20 Aug 2007 7:00pm
"If you were to stupidly ignore all the excellent advice then you should get a black Truimph speed triple....MMMmmmm Trippppllllleeeeeyyyyy"


NO NO NO

A 58 NORTON DOMINATER SSS
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

If you can find/afford one
Wineman
Wineman
NSW
1412 posts
NSW, 1412 posts
21 Aug 2007 11:56am
Stribo,
young guy who used to work for me has just resored a BSA 350 Gold Star...& his next project is a Norton Commando Manx - a very rare bike - & it's all in pieces.

certainly is different going back to the old Brit bikes - great sound & feel
The Grinch
The Grinch
WA
733 posts
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21 Aug 2007 10:31am

I had a BSA Bantam once. What a pile of ** that was!
Wineman
Wineman
NSW
1412 posts
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21 Aug 2007 1:03pm
yeah , it was pre-war design & technology trying to compete with '60's Japanese wizardry
Revhead
Revhead
ACT
372 posts
ACT, 372 posts
21 Aug 2007 2:16pm
I'm sure there would be chat sites for mobility impaired people, have a look at what they have to deal with.
But if you HAVE to get a bike, i reckon get a dirt bike and stay off the roads.
stribo
stribo
QLD
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21 Aug 2007 4:40pm
quote:
Originally posted by Wineman

Stribo,
young guy who used to work for me has just resored a BSA 350 Gold Star...& his next project is a Norton Commando Manx - a very rare bike - & it's all in pieces.

certainly is different going back to the old Brit bikes - great sound & feel



Sounds like he's in for some fun and games mate.
I would love to do up an oldie but at the moment i don't have the room
I have my 76 HONDA CB200.She,s slow but is way more classy than a moped and don,t burn the fuel.If i go something bigger i'll probably go for an old BMW R65 or R75.Not into the jap fashion statements or the HD,s
Wineman
Wineman
NSW
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21 Aug 2007 6:04pm
HD's are for pose only (or compulsory if you belong to denim jacket-wearing ? club!!)
Ridden them several times - AND NOT AT ALL IMPRESSED

Had one for several hrs at Uluru, lot of grunt in straight, but won't go round corners.....& the vibration....had tingles in hands for hours afterwards
gerard
gerard
QLD
175 posts
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21 Aug 2007 7:26pm
Bikes are fun but it's not if you fall off it's when!!! I have two friend's who have life long injures from dirt bikes.

1. Was a sponsored rider (KTM) was 3 laps into a endro was coming down the strait where his old man was waiting with a lap board saying "slow down you are 30sec's ahead". However he never got to read it, got the death wobbles then tank slap went over the bars and ended up braking his neck and crushing his throat. Can never walk again and has minor brain damage from lack of oxygen. They didn't know his throat was crushed while they where waiting for helicopter.
2. Was a good rider taking his new F400 for it's first ride went around corner 4WD coming the other way he veered to miss the car and hit a tree. Result permanent brain damage, lost his long term girl friend, job and now is working as trolley boy at supermarket.
3. Was me, I was practicing at local track went over jump over rotated went over handle bars. Broke my neck. Lucky for me no permanent damage but was in a neck brace for 3 months. Funny thing is the day I got the brace off I went for a ride?

Sorry to be a downer with bad stories. But as someone mentioned above you go ask a doctor if you should get a bike and see what they say!!! I know people ride all their life and never get hurt I think these people are very lucky or ride like a 75 year old granny drives her Magna. Another thing that also I think is crazy is the young kids you see riding around on mopeds. These are often over loaded with people and bags. I saw one a while back with 2 big guys and the guy on the back was holding 2 cartons!!! I followed for a bit and was LOL till they hit a pot hole crashed and smashed the beer, what a waste!

Cheers Gerard.
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
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21 Aug 2007 6:44pm
ive got a friend who broke both his legs at the same time and i have sailed with a brain damaged guy... one was because of a 50 foot jump, the other; a drunk in a ute...
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
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21 Aug 2007 9:48pm
http://www.tacsafety.com.au/jsp/content/NavigationController.do?areaID=12&tierID=2&navID=03CD806D7F00000100FD9D27C5E64BC5&navLink=null&pageID=163
For the age group thing people my age (18-20,when (if) i get a bike) have got one of the lowest injury and death rates of all groups, even if you add that group to the 20-25yr old it is still lower than some peoples group, i dont think age is really related.
From reading more statistics it seem about half of all injuries and deaths are single behicle accident, meaning the rider was popping wheelies, or going to fast and killing themselves. The other 50% might have been unlucky, but i recon that could be reduced still if people road more aware, and practised evasive manuvers.
I saw a neat bike a few days ago, and also one which was designed for paraplegics (which my dad said to the builder "riding bikes is how most of them got that way anyway"!!!)
and gerard, all of those crashes, although terrible, could have been avoidable.1.he was in a racing situation, riding very fast. 2.the turns might be fun, but it you cant see around them why go so fast you cant stop.3.jumping in the air, need i say more.
Revhead
Revhead
ACT
372 posts
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22 Aug 2007 10:59am
Dawn Patrol,
Take the advice you've been given.
Evasive manouvres arent going to save you, neither will awareness, thats the nature of traffic and accidents, and it gets worse with time.
Us windsurfers and kite surfers generally arent conservative super safe people, so this advice you've been offered is not biased.
We'd all HATE to see you get one and then hurt!
When you throw your leg over your bike in the driveway, you must ask yourself "Am i happy to live in a wheel chair forever, so i can have this one ride?"
stribo
stribo
QLD
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22 Aug 2007 1:03pm
quote:
Originally posted by Revhead

Dawn Patrol,
Take the advice you've been given.
Evasive manouvres arent going to save you, neither will awareness, thats the nature of traffic and accidents, and it gets worse with time.
Us windsurfers and kite surfers generally arent conservative super safe people, so this advice you've been offered is not biased.
We'd all HATE to see you get one and then hurt!
When you throw your leg over your bike in the driveway, you must ask yourself "Am i happy to live in a wheel chair forever, so i can have this one ride?"



I'm not saying bikes are or are not the way to go but .. Do you think of the dangers everytime you get in your car , walk across the road or go windsurfing (sharks etc..) ???? There are risks and dangers in every moment of our lives i sort of think that when your number is up your number is up and as for wheelchairs , lost limbs etc. maybe its a lesson your meant to learn in this life? Everything happens for a reason and as hard as it may be you have to make the most of evey situation.
The male of the species has been the hunter gatherer in times of old.More and more we are loosing that role so we find activities to replace the rush...It,s in us all
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
2331 posts
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22 Aug 2007 11:19am
Might have the answer!

Noticed in the employment section of the local rag that Australia Post are looking for Posties.

You get to ride a bike (well a underpowered bike anyway) during the day and get paid to do it. PLUS you get to start early and finish early (around 2.30ish) so you get to go sailing every arvo - SWEEEEEET.

only problem is you have to be under 90kgs fully clothed
and you only get $35K per annum
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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26 Aug 2007 8:40pm
Please get a light M/bike as Ive run into 3 over the yearsand the bigger bikes tend to do a bit more damage. DO not assume that you can be seen or have been seen and dont cut me off . he last bike I hit cut me off at some lights and then braked heavy to get into a Pub carpark, then gave me a dirty look as I slammed on the brakes and tryed to swerve. still remember his rego CC 1 !
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
26 Aug 2007 8:51pm
quote:
Originally posted by landyacht

Please get a light M/bike as Ive run into 3 over the yearsand the bigger bikes tend to do a bit more damage. DO not assume that you can be seen or have been seen and dont cut me off . he last bike I hit cut me off at some lights and then braked heavy to get into a Pub carpark, then gave me a dirty look as I slammed on the brakes and tryed to swerve. still remember his rego CC 1 !


me cutting you off isnt going to kill you. The majorty of people doing the cutting off are the ****ers in cars. Plus how manny cars do 0-100 in under 3seconds? cutting off wont be a problem.
You've run into 3motorcyclists in a year!!!! maybe its ur driving, dont think that happens to many other people.
Also i went to the bike expo today. Omg, i was a fat kid at a candy buffet. I sat on a few and even though they arnt running it just feels amazing. i think i am in love.
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
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26 Aug 2007 8:52pm
sweet, i didnt no writing naughty words was automatically censored. i always thought it was people being polite.
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