A wild idea for Boat People....

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Simondo
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3 Jul 2011 9:47pm
I know this could raise a few eyebrows...
Just throwing it out there....

I actually don't have a problem with Asylum Seekers, and boat people.... Imagine the problems they must feel "at their home country". It would be truly awful.

(By the way, I wonder if is should be spelt "truely aweful".... six of one, half dozen of the other....)....

Idea;
I know this would encourage boat people a little.... But could we build a large community in the North West, where there seems to be land, and where there seems to be some immigration imprisonment... (???)... Could we assist with a multicultural transit centre, with industry and employment, and provide these desperate people with some hope... Could it be a tax free land for the Australians and Internationals who help to run it? Could it be a wildly large township..... Could it be "encapsulated / fenced" to appease the general Australian Public?....

Could we stress the importance of multiculturalism... With everyone needing to get along, with the knowledge/concept that your neighbor is culturally different to you, but they might still have similar ideals, such as providing for a better future for their children, partially though education....

Anyway.... Just throwing some wild thoughts out there....

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I wonder if this imaginary city would be bigger than Sydney or Melbourne within 10 years !! That might be the problem ??!!

Constructive thoughts, not destructive thoughts.... (please!)

Carantoc
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3 Jul 2011 8:39pm
I think this has been tried before - about 200 years ago.

Except it wasn't in the northwest, it was in the south.

They decided to call it 'Australia'
busterwa
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3 Jul 2011 8:44pm
Your sub culture of radical and muslims asylum seekers etc has no place in a western world unless it is integrated into a fair system of diplomacy. Under the Muslim relegion this can not be achieved. They can not be integrated they are not willing to conform.
anyway i think is a good idea
We could round up all the Muslim women who are treated like **** remove them tell them they have freedom of speech in our country them drop a bomb on the rest

Its a good idea round up the outdated radical non conformists up in a remote community take out who is willing to conform then drop bombs and behead the rest......
example :

sorry Laurie......
Torch
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3 Jul 2011 8:49pm




dinsdale
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WA
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3 Jul 2011 9:03pm
I'd warm to it more if it was to be in north western Victoria.
Simondo
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3 Jul 2011 11:14pm
dinsdale said...

I'd warm to it more if it was to be in north western Victoria.


Deal...
Lets run with NW Vic... !
Or Northern Hutt River Province?
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/General-Discussion/Chat/WA-to-secede-with-Hutt-River/
Elroy Jetson
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WA
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3 Jul 2011 9:50pm
Your 'wild' proposition is called a Ghetto

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto
dinsdale
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3 Jul 2011 10:24pm
Simondo said...

dinsdale said...

I'd warm to it more if it was to be in north western Victoria.

Deal...
Lets run with NW Vic... !
Or Northern Hutt River Province?

No, north western Victoria!

cisco
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4 Jul 2011 1:25am
I say stop the boats and catch the others at the airports and send them home but in saying that I think we have to accept that the horse has already bolted.

Too much has been accepted in the name of political correctness now to be able to turn back the tide.
dinsdale
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4 Jul 2011 1:13am
cisco said...

I say stop the boats and catch the others at the airports and send them home but in saying that I think we have to accept that the horse has already bolted.

Too much has been accepted in the name of political correctness now to be able to turn back the tide.

It might get more difficult, but it's never too late. We have a long way to go to catch up to Holland, so it sure ain't too late here.

Mobydisc
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4 Jul 2011 7:42am
dinsdale said...

cisco said...

I say stop the boats and catch the others at the airports and send them home but in saying that I think we have to accept that the horse has already bolted.

Too much has been accepted in the name of political correctness now to be able to turn back the tide.

It might get more difficult, but it's never too late. We have a long way to go to catch up to Holland, so it sure ain't too late here.




Go to SW Sydney or Botany Bay on a summers day and you will probably change your mind.

Adoy
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4 Jul 2011 9:16am
dinsdale said...

cisco said...

I say stop the boats and catch the others at the airports and send them home but in saying that I think we have to accept that the horse has already bolted.

Too much has been accepted in the name of political correctness now to be able to turn back the tide.

It might get more difficult, but it's never too late. We have a long way to go to catch up to Holland, so it sure ain't too late here.




Agreed hopefully we can follow Hollands lead and get back to the real proper Australia mate!

I grew up in Bankstown and was forced to move elsewhere as I was the only Aussie left in the street and possibly whole suburb.

Multiculturalism = Epic Fail

Too many politically correct do gooders living with heads in the clouds wrecking it for us all.
poor relative
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4 Jul 2011 8:26am
Adoy said...

Multiculturalism = Epic Fail



WTF?

So your saying segregation works y'know Aparthied n that. Maybe if we vote in a Nationalist party and fire up them gas chambers eh?
Even better bring back slavery lets get rid of the constuitution and forgo our democratic rights. I think human rights are pretty useless as well.
FFS

We become not a melting pot but a beautiful mosaic. Different people, different beliefs, different yearnings, different hopes, different dreams.

Jimmy Carter


poor relative
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4 Jul 2011 8:28am
Adoy said...

Too many politically correct do gooders living with heads in the clouds wrecking it for us all.



I'd say too many narrow minded intolerant biggoted twats wrecking it for us all.

Why is 'do gooders' considered an insult?
Adoy
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4 Jul 2011 10:34am
poor relative said...

Adoy said...

Too many politically correct do gooders living with heads in the clouds wrecking it for us all.



I'd say too many narrow minded intolerant biggoted twats wrecking it for us all.

Why is 'do gooders' considered an insult?



Sorry for being a 'Twat', cant I have my say and own view?

Typical.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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4 Jul 2011 8:35am
P.R it is interesting you mention Apartheid.
That was the incoming invaders (the white folk) mistreating / subjugating / not respecting the human rights of, the black folk.

We could very well end up with something similar if we let enough Muslims in....... there is already no-go areas for normal aussies and calls for sharia law.
I don't call that success, rather a bit fat warning sign.

Can you tell us how to avoid failure and have the beautiful mosaic?
Seems it was possible with many other cultures, but not Islam
SomeOtherGuy
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4 Jul 2011 10:42am
Adoy said...

poor relative said...

Adoy said...

Too many politically correct do gooders living with heads in the clouds wrecking it for us all.



I'd say too many narrow minded intolerant biggoted twats wrecking it for us all.

Why is 'do gooders' considered an insult?



Sorry for being a 'Twat', cant I have my say and own view?

Typical.



Yes, you can and do have your own view. Can't PR have his own view and his say? Or is your view the only view that's allowed?
SomeOtherGuy
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4 Jul 2011 10:54am
By the way, for what it's worth...

I think anyone calling for an end to multiculturalism should immediately have their wish granted. They can be deported back to wherever they came from. Which means that anyone who isn't aboriginal gets a free ride to wherever...
Adoy
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4 Jul 2011 11:04am
SomeOtherGuy said...

Adoy said...

poor relative said...

Adoy said...

Too many politically correct do gooders living with heads in the clouds wrecking it for us all.



I'd say too many narrow minded intolerant biggoted twats wrecking it for us all.

Why is 'do gooders' considered an insult?



Sorry for being a 'Twat', cant I have my say and own view?

Typical.



Yes, you can and do have your own view. Can't PR have his own view and his say? Or is your view the only view that's allowed?


Haha I didnt say PR couldnt have his own view... SOG and PR you are both Twats
felixdcat
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4 Jul 2011 9:04am
Adoy said...

poor relative said...

Adoy said...

Too many politically correct do gooders living with heads in the clouds wrecking it for us all.



I'd say too many narrow minded intolerant biggoted twats wrecking it for us all.

Why is 'do gooders' considered an insult?



Sorry for being a 'Twat', cant I have my say and own view?

Typical.



Agree with you! that is the exact definition of the muslims in this country!
poor relative
poor relative
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4 Jul 2011 9:05am
Adoy said...

Sorry for being a 'Twat', cant I have my say and own view?





Hitler had a viewpoint.

You can have a say we have live in a democracy where all peoples are considered equal and we are allowed to live in relative freedom.

However don't be so precious that you can't take criticism.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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4 Jul 2011 9:05am
SomeOtherGuy said...

By the way, for what it's worth...

I think anyone calling for an end to multiculturalism should immediately have their wish granted. They can be deported back to wherever they came from. Which means that anyone who isn't aboriginal gets a free ride to wherever...


Bullsh!t. Usual crap trotted out by socialist types. What about those born here (ie: white peopel who had no say in it, they just popped out of mum in Australia)
Where would you send them?

How about ending the "them and us" or "we deserve special treatment" ...... everyone is equal 100% (sorry, should be equal 100%) and treated the same.

Adoy
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4 Jul 2011 11:05am
SomeOtherGuy said...

By the way, for what it's worth...

I think anyone calling for an end to multiculturalism should immediately have their wish granted. They can be deported back to wherever they came from. Which means that anyone who isn't aboriginal gets a free ride to wherever...


Dont be silly now
poor relative
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4 Jul 2011 9:11am
Mark _australia said...

How about ending the "them and us" or "we deserve special treatment" ...... everyone is equal 100% (sorry, should be equal 100%) and treated the same.




I agree.
poor relative
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4 Jul 2011 9:19am
I'd be more concerned about Buddhists taking over


WIKI said......
2.1 percent of the total population of Australia, or 418,749 people, identified as Buddhist.It was also the fastest-growing religion by percentage, having increased its number of adherents by 79 percent between the 1996 and 2001 censuses.[1] Buddhism is the second largest religion in the country, after Christianity.
felixdcat
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4 Jul 2011 9:26am
poor relative said...

I'd be more concerned about Buddhists taking over


WIKI said......
2.1 percent of the total population of Australia, or 418,749 people, identified as Buddhist.It was also the fastest-growing religion by percentage, having increased its number of adherents by 79 percent between the 1996 and 2001 censuses.[1] Buddhism is the second largest religion in the country, after Christianity.


Well Buddhists unlike muslims and christians do not try to force they views on the others, when have you last heart of Buddihst terrorists or suicide bombers or treating their wifes worst than animals! The Dalai Lama calls for world peace not for jihad.... I rest my case!

poor relative
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4 Jul 2011 9:32am
You should be more considerate of Jihad - do you know what it means.

Jihad (play /dʒɪˈhɑːd/; Arabic: جهاد‎ ǧihād [dʒiˈhæːd]), an Islamic term, is a religious duty of Muslims. In Arabic, the word jihād translates as a noun meaning "struggle". Jihad appears 41 times in the Quran and frequently in the idiomatic expression "striving in the way of God (al-jihad fi sabil Allah)".[1][2][3] A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid; the plural is mujahideen. Jihad is an important religious duty for Muslims. A minority among the Sunni scholars sometimes refer to this duty as the sixth pillar of Islam, though it occupies no such official status.[4] In Twelver Shi'a Islam, however, Jihad is one of the 10 Practices of the Religion.

Jihad in Islam, a term meaning "struggle"; used without any qualifiers it is generally understood in the West to refer to a "holy war" on behalf of Islam.

Muslims use the word in a religious context to refer to three types of struggles: an internal struggle to maintain faith, the struggle to improve the Muslim society, or the struggle to defend Islam.[5] The prominent British-American orientalist Bernard Lewis argues that in the hadiths and the classical manuals of Islamic law jihad has a military meaning in the large majority of cases.[6] In a commentary of the hadith Sahih Muslim, entitled al-Minhaj, the medieval Islamic scholar Yahya ibn Sharaf al-Nawawi stated that "one of the collective duties of the community as a whole (fard kifaya) is to lodge a valid protest, to solve problems of religion, to have knowledge of Divine Law, to command what is right and forbid wrong conduct".[7]

In western societies the term jihad is often translated as "holy war".[9] Scholars of Islamic studies often stress that these words are not synonymous.[10] Muslim authors, in particular, tend to reject such an approach, stressing non-militant connotations of the word.[11][12]
felixdcat
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4 Jul 2011 9:49am
poor relative said...

You should be more considerate of Jihad - do you know what it means.

Jihad (play /dʒɪˈhɑːd/; Arabic: جهاد‎ ǧihād [dʒiˈhæːd]), an Islamic term, is a religious duty of Muslims. In Arabic, the word jihād translates as a noun meaning "struggle". Jihad appears 41 times in the Quran and frequently in the idiomatic expression "striving in the way of God (al-jihad fi sabil Allah)".[1][2][3] A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid; the plural is mujahideen. Jihad is an important religious duty for Muslims. A minority among the Sunni scholars sometimes refer to this duty as the sixth pillar of Islam, though it occupies no such official status.[4] In Twelver Shi'a Islam, however, Jihad is one of the 10 Practices of the Religion.

Jihad in Islam, a term meaning "struggle"; used without any qualifiers it is generally understood in the West to refer to a "holy war" on behalf of Islam.

Muslims use the word in a religious context to refer to three types of struggles: an internal struggle to maintain faith, the struggle to improve the Muslim society, or the struggle to defend Islam.[5] The prominent British-American orientalist Bernard Lewis argues that in the hadiths and the classical manuals of Islamic law jihad has a military meaning in the large majority of cases.[6] In a commentary of the hadith Sahih Muslim, entitled al-Minhaj, the medieval Islamic scholar Yahya ibn Sharaf al-Nawawi stated that "one of the collective duties of the community as a whole (fard kifaya) is to lodge a valid protest, to solve problems of religion, to have knowledge of Divine Law, to command what is right and forbid wrong conduct".[7]

In western societies the term jihad is often translated as "holy war".[8][9] Scholars of Islamic studies often stress that these words are not synonymous.[10] Muslim authors, in particular, tend to reject such an approach, stressing non-militant connotations of the word.[11][12]

Well I am a westerner and it is just what I said. I have no interest in studying arabic or any muslim or coranic (made that word from French) mumbo jumbo.... as far as I am concerned jihad=holy war!
poor relative
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4 Jul 2011 10:04am
felixdcat said...
I have no interest in studying arabic or any muslim or coranic


Thats intolerant eh?
...and you complain about Muslims not integrating.
poor relative
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4 Jul 2011 10:06am
poor relative said...


In western societies the term jihad is often translated as "holy war". Scholars of Islamic studies often stress that these words are not synonymous. Muslim authors, in particular, tend to reject such an approach, stressing non-militant connotations of the word.


Read it in context instead of taking the line that affirms your hate.
felixdcat
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4 Jul 2011 10:14am
poor relative said...

felixdcat said...
I have no interest in studying arabic or any muslim or coranic


Thats intolerant eh?
...and you complain about Muslims not integrating.

Is it? Have you studied French, German, Italian, Spanish, Greek, and Latin??? If no, have you any interest in doing so? Maybe then you are intolerant too!
My problem is not about your lot integrating..... You can stay in your self made ghettos! my prob is you pushing your culture to me if that is intolerant then I agree I am intolerant as I will resist integrating to a muslim culture !

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