AFL Draft - drafting 17 & 18 year olds...

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Simondo
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11 May 2013 3:47pm
I feel sorry for some of the young kids coming into the AFL system, for a few reasons...

As Jimmy Bartel rightfully points out, don't be too hard on the 18, 19 & 20 year olds... Have a think about what you had achieved by that age...

But imagine the penalty you could get dealt, for being the amongst the Top 3 or 4 players in your draft year...
- 17 year olds getting drafted from interstate to play for Greater Western Sydney...
- Jack Watts getting drafted to Melbourne at the height of their losing streaks... (I think Jack could be a very useful wingman or flanker at Geelong...)

Basically, most of the kids would just want to go to a proven successful team, or at least a team close to home. I think it is pretty unfair on some kids to have literally/virtually no say on where they will play their footy. I think they need to have some type of choice... A bit like a school leaver choosing which University course to get into, and listing a few courses according to ability, and choice... A preference list.

Ben Cousins was one of the only players to ever have a real choice in their future, at the draft stage...
His dad played over 100 games at Geelong (Ben was born in Geelong actually), plus over 100 games in the WAFL. So he was able to choose between Eagles, Freemantle, and Geelong (under Father Son).
MDSXR6T
MDSXR6T
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11 May 2013 2:09pm
Yeh, its terrible that a young bloke who loves playing footy is given any chance to join a professional club, train hard, earn a regular spot, live a great life and earn fantastic money. They get enough as it is let alone choosing what team to go to.


You think in 5 years time the ladder wont be different? It wasnt that long ago melbourne were playing finals

Also its fair game being hard on them. There being paid huge money to play so its only fair they perform



Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
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11 May 2013 4:16pm
you make some good points Simondo - I would prefer to be a professional in sports that do not have a draft ..........but compare that 17 yr old to some of his mates

1. its much better than doing a trade and earning practically nothing
2. at uni earning zero but accumulating debt (most not all)
3. working at Coles stacking shelves

I think that yes it may seem a tad unfair but they are well aware of how it works before they get involved and no one is forcing them to go. If they are really good at what they do they will eventually get picked up by the club that they would like to play for - a good incentive!!!




thePup
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11 May 2013 2:30pm
Personally I've always thought that 17 is just a touch too young (immature?) to be shunted interstate ... of course with some notable exceptions over the years with due respect ... could the age be lifted to 18 as a draft commencing point ? could there be an automatic 12 month pre-apprenticeship at the second tier level before being permitted to be selected in the A grade?
Just to protect & nurture physically "green" bodies and allow education etc

Just 2c of thought aloud
Simondo
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11 May 2013 4:55pm
Thanks guys, very good points well made!
Cassa
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11 May 2013 6:19pm
There is a young unmentioned kid , (my son's best mate ) who the last time I saw him was at the noddy shop with my son .
They were picked up for throwing eggs at people from his car.
He now plays for Gold Coast Suns , and Has great potential as a midfielder, I am sure he would be pretty happy being picked up at such a young age.
Lucky boy I recon
Sailhack
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13 May 2013 10:32am
Simondo said..


Ben Cousins was one of the only players to ever have a real choice in their future, at the draft stage...


And although he played some great footy - it's probably set him on a path that will lead nowhere in his future. Maybe 'kids' don't have the ability to make the right choices at that age.

A couple of points though -

1. Who's to say that moving them to a distant club is a bad thing? There can be so many advantages in taking someone out of their comfort zone. As for not being old enough - kids nowadays move away for their 'gap year' or use it to travel anyway.

2. If they are that good - then they will have the opportunity to 'choose' after they have completed their 'traineeship' at the club that picks them up.

3. No different than most occupations - regardless of skill, you have to start by doing the hard yards & prove yourself.

My cousin was drafted to a VFL club when he was 17...trained & played with the u19's, then discovered women, nightclubs & alcohol. That cut short his footy career.
Tux
Tux
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13 May 2013 11:23am
17 & 18 years olds are being taught to fight and kill oversea's...just to put it in perspective....if they don't like the pressure or are missing there mum's they are free to go home and get a lower paying job just like anyone else....
Dazzler75
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13 May 2013 1:14pm
Because they will never play for Australia like every other sport!!
Little Jon
Little Jon
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13 May 2013 2:04pm
We need em youngs so their bodies get used to all the drugs needed in footy
Stuthepirate
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13 May 2013 4:01pm
I think if a club is going to draft 17-18 yo boys then they should have to provide them with training/schloarships/education for other 'back up"' professions.
Concussion, ACL's or just poor form can lead to players being thrown on the scrap heap with out too much liability being placed on the clubs that recruit and play them.
sick_em_rex
sick_em_rex
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13 May 2013 5:12pm
Hey Simondo, to counter one of your points, how many 17/18/19 year olds get their dream job as the first one off the bat? Surely Jack Watts playing at Melbourne is just a stepping stone of sorts. I think the draft is totally fair. The players know what they are getting into. If they don't like it, don't nominate.
I know that at 45 I am still waiting and working for for my 'dream job' (professional bum with unlimited funding)
Little Jon
Little Jon
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13 May 2013 9:42pm
sick_em_rex said..

I know that at 45 I am still waiting and working for for my 'dream job' (professional bum with unlimited funding)


Gentleman sounds much better
Mobydisc
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14 May 2013 11:56am
The main issue is there is money and way too much of it involved.

Hopefully the whole stinking edifice of professional sports will collapse sooner than later.

The Internet has a good chance of killing off professional football codes as more people spend less time watching TV and shows there is more to life than watching a bunch of blokes chase a ball around a field.





Stuthepirate
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14 May 2013 12:11pm
Mobydisc said..

The Internet has a good chance of killing off professional football codes as more people spend less time watching TV and shows there is more to life than watching a bunch of blokes chase a ball around a field.


What? Like Porn!?
sick_em_rex
sick_em_rex
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14 May 2013 3:37pm
Mobydisc said..

The main issue is there is money and way too much of it involved.

Hopefully the whole stinking edifice of professional sports will collapse sooner than later.

The Internet has a good chance of killing off professional football codes as more people spend less time watching TV and shows there is more to life than watching a bunch of blokes chase a ball around a field.







I agree they get paid too much money, but it is all relative. It is only the very best that get paid the big dollars. Go and do some research and find out just how much a first year draft pick is actually on. First year drafts salaries are capped for the first 2 years. It's still a decent amount, roughly $100,000 a year. But think of this, this is going to be their life, 24/7 virtually 365 days a year. Are you governed by your job 24/7 365 days a year? Are you told you can't go and have beer the day after the weekend? Does your employer expect you to be subjected to random drug tests? The pressure these players are under is incredible. Will your job only last 15 years or most likely less before you have to go and do something totally different because the life as you have known it no longer exists? If you break a bone or get injured does your earning capacity diminish or will your profession say sorry, you're no good to us anymore?

But, to make a statement like the internet has a good chance of killing off professional football codes.....seriously, WHAT are you smoking? That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard or read. You serioulsy think that that billions if not trillions of dollars of revenue raised each year from professional football is all going to disappear because people would prefer to surf the internet........wow. I am stunned.
One of my greatest pleasures as a Dad is either going to the game or sitting on the lounge on the weekend watching the AFL with my 2 boys. I have dreams that one of my boys is good enough that he could make a go of being a professional AFL player. And if he does I am more than confident that by then whatever team he played for will school him in not just football but also on what he can do with his life once football is over. I will be deeply disheartened if he chooses to surf the net rather than indulge in what is one of his passions. Professional sportsmen and women on the whole are an aspirational lot. How many of us on here dream of being in the PWA or on the ASP tour etc etc
I think it is awesome that kids can aspire to being the professionals on the sports fields of tomorrow rather than the people who will get fatter and fatter and more insular and socially retarded from sitting in front of a computer screen.

Rant over
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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14 May 2013 5:55pm
What I am saying is the Internet and all the services it provides is killing commercial broadcast TV. Narrowcasting will defeat broadcasting. The billions of dollars that go into professional football largely come from the sale of TV rights which is funded by TV advertising. As TV audiences fade its inevitable the money made available for TV rights for professional football will diminish.

It's already happening with Rugby League. Channel Nine, which is almost bankrupt, is having difficulty paying TV rights to the NRL.

Also the Internet allows people to view whatever content they like.

If anyone wants to watch a bunch of blokes chasing a ball around a field then that's their choice. There is nothing wrong with that. Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps football will survive on TV when all the rest of the shows on TV are a distant memory. However it just the way it seems to be going. More options, less mainstream mass marketed televised sports.

There is little relationship between watching professional sport on TV and actually playing a sport. It seems to be the opposite, as more people watch professional sports, the population becomes more sedentary and less fit.
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