He's fascinating isn't he. But........every time I listen to him I feel as if I'm being conned somehow. He makes beautiful sense in just about everything he says and then lines like "what I've discovered is that every war over the last 50 years has been caused(?)by bad journalism( or something like that). I was so mesmerised by him that that comment almost went into my brain without challenge, and he does that all the time. His main preface for all his Wikileaks work seems to be.. the world would be a better place if society had access to ALL secrets held by government... and I just don't agree.The releasing of that footage of the helicopter pilot opening fire on the people mover, you know the one where they killed the whole family,thinking they had a rocket launcher seemed to disturb everyone but I really didn't see the point, beyond the showing of the brutality of war and what a large calibre gun will do to someone on the wrong end of it. So what did it prove, innocents die in war, people make terrible mistakes, people can be plain dumb, some people can be heartless. We ALL know these things dont we?Do we need to be reminded? Even in our closest relationships there are secrets that we hold close. in the same way that most of us self censor ourselves in ordinary conversations with others. If we say everything that enters our head in a conversation like a turrets syndrome sufferer then it seems to me that conversations will be unworkable. I'm not saying running a country like the old East Germany is the way to go , but also saying lets run the world where everything that is written or spoken is open to be published, to me seems unsophisticated and dangerous.

log man said...

The releasing of that footage of the helicopter pilot opening fire on the people mover, you know the one where they killed the whole family,thinking they had a rocket launcher seemed to disturb everyone but I really didn't see the point, beyond the showing of the brutality of war and what a large calibre gun will do to someone on the wrong end of it. So what did it prove, innocents die in war, people make terrible mistakes, people can be plain dumb, some people can be heartless. We ALL know these things dont we?Do we need to be reminded?

So what you are saying is that he's just another kind of media outlet, showing you some "facts" (may or may not be facts) and then drawing a straight line between these facts and what he wants you to believe

PS: I took away the same thing from that video that you did

log man said...

He's fascinating isn't he. But........every time I listen to him I feel as if I'm being conned somehow. He makes beautiful sense in just about everything he says and then lines like "what I've discovered is that every war over the last 50 years has been caused(?)by bad journalism( or something like that). I was so mesmerised by him that that comment almost went into my brain without challenge, and he does that all the time. His main preface for all his Wikileaks work seems to be.. the world would be a better place if society had access to ALL secrets held by government... and I just don't agree.The releasing of that footage of the helicopter pilot opening fire on the people mover, you know the one where they killed the whole family,thinking they had a rocket launcher seemed to disturb everyone but I really didn't see the point, beyond the showing of the brutality of war and what a large calibre gun will do to someone on the wrong end of it. So what did it prove, innocents die in war, people make terrible mistakes, people can be plain dumb, some people can be heartless. We ALL know these things dont we?Do we need to be reminded? Even in our closest relationships there are secrets that we hold close. in the same way that most of us self censor ourselves in ordinary conversations with others. If we say everything that enters our head in a conversation like a turrets syndrome sufferer then it seems to me that conversations will be unworkable. I'm not saying running a country like the old East Germany is the way to go , but also saying lets run the world where everything that is written or spoken is open to be published, to me seems unsophisticated and dangerous.

serious...?

gimme truth

all I want is the truth

lies are dangerous

truth destroys the liars

in every sense, ideal, philosophy, religion, conspiracy; truth will set us free.

how sad that you'd prefer to be lied too.

log man said...

theDoctor said...

log man said...

He's fascinating isn't he. But........every time I listen to him I feel as if I'm being conned somehow. He makes beautiful sense in just about everything he says and then lines like "what I've discovered is that every war over the last 50 years has been caused(?)by bad journalism( or something like that). I was so mesmerised by him that that comment almost went into my brain without challenge, and he does that all the time. His main preface for all his Wikileaks work seems to be.. the world would be a better place if society had access to ALL secrets held by government... and I just don't agree.The releasing of that footage of the helicopter pilot opening fire on the people mover, you know the one where they killed the whole family,thinking they had a rocket launcher seemed to disturb everyone but I really didn't see the point, beyond the showing of the brutality of war and what a large calibre gun will do to someone on the wrong end of it. So what did it prove, innocents die in war, people make terrible mistakes, people can be plain dumb, some people can be heartless. We ALL know these things dont we?Do we need to be reminded? Even in our closest relationships there are secrets that we hold close. in the same way that most of us self censor ourselves in ordinary conversations with others. If we say everything that enters our head in a conversation like a turrets syndrome sufferer then it seems to me that conversations will be unworkable. I'm not saying running a country like the old East Germany is the way to go , but also saying lets run the world where everything that is written or spoken is open to be published, to me seems unsophisticated and dangerous.

serious...?

gimme truth

all I want is the truth

lies are dangerous

truth destroys the liars

in every sense, ideal, philosophy, religion, conspiracy; truth will set us free.

how sad that you'd prefer to be lied too.

So Doc, your talking the end of diplomacy between nations. Do you really want Obama to publish the full video of the death of Usama? Sure it happened we know what happened but Obama has concluded that to publish the evidence, or the truth as you would say would be counter productive to troops in the field, and to the image that could be portrayed of the US as a vicious and godless people that are hell bent on the destruction of Islam. Would Assange publish that video, does that make Obama a liar or a diplomat?

Obama is a very clever opportunist!

theDoctor said...

serious...?

gimme truth

all I want is the truth

lies are dangerous

truth destroys the liars

in every sense, ideal, philosophy, religion, conspiracy; truth will set us free.

how sad that you'd prefer to be lied too.

Exactly!! Hit me but do not sh1t me. Just give me the thruth!!

log man said...

So Doc, your talking the end of diplomacy between nations. Do you really want Obama to publish the full video of the death of Usama? Sure it happened we know what happened (Do we really?) but Obama has concluded that to publish the evidence, or the truth as you would say would be counter productive to troops in the field, and to the image that could be portrayed of the US as a vicious and godless people that are hell bent on the destruction of Islam. (Oh and so the Muslims that are hell bent on destroying western civilisation are not a vicious and godless people??) Would Assange publish that video, does that make Obama a liar or a diplomat?

No offence intended log man but I think you are living in an idealistic dream world.

cisco said...

log man said...

So Doc, your talking the end of diplomacy between nations. Do you really want Obama to publish the full video of the death of Usama? Sure it happened we know what happened (Do we really?) but Obama has concluded that to publish the evidence, or the truth as you would say would be counter productive to troops in the field, and to the image that could be portrayed of the US as a vicious and godless people that are hell bent on the destruction of Islam. (Oh and so the Muslims that are hell bent on destroying western civilisation are not a vicious and godless people??) Would Assange publish that video, does that make Obama a liar or a diplomat?

No offence intended log man but I think you are living in an idealistic dream world.

Yeah, But Cisco I know you may not see too many Muslims in Gympie or Bundy but there are 600000 muslims in New York City. The huge majority of them are plain old New Yorkers. The Idea that they would do anything to harm their city, their neighbours or their brothers and sisters would be abhorrent to them. The same here I recon. Sure there are radicals, sure there are Islamist Jihadists, but to judge one of the great religions of the world as the enemy is inaccurate and wrong. Lets not forget that the greatest number of victims of Islamic terrorism has been ordinary Muslims. But to answer your question, I said we all know what happened. You said "do we really"????? What , so it wasn't him, he's been dead for ten years, Obama has made it all up, FFS! And yes I agree that Usama was a Vile and godless Muslim, hell bent on destroying western society but my point was that it would be good for the "west" to show ordinary moderate Muslim people that we do not hate Islam and we are not at war with them because some of them are at war with us.

log man said...

cisco said...

log man said...

So Doc, your talking the end of diplomacy between nations. Do you really want Obama to publish the full video of the death of Usama? Sure it happened we know what happened (Do we really?) but Obama has concluded that to publish the evidence, or the truth as you would say would be counter productive to troops in the field, and to the image that could be portrayed of the US as a vicious and godless people that are hell bent on the destruction of Islam. (Oh and so the Muslims that are hell bent on destroying western civilisation are not a vicious and godless people??) Would Assange publish that video, does that make Obama a liar or a diplomat?

No offence intended log man but I think you are living in an idealistic dream world.

Yeah, But Cisco I know you may not see too many Muslims in Gympie or Bundy but there are 600000 muslims in New York City. The huge majority of them are plain old New Yorkers. The Idea that they would do anything to harm their city, their neighbours or their brothers and sisters would be abhorrent to them. The same here I recon. Sure there are radicals, sure there are Islamist Jihadists, but to judge one of the great religions of the world as the enemy is inaccurate and wrong. Lets not forget that the greatest number of victims of Islamic terrorism has been ordinary Muslims. But to answer your question, I said we all know what happened. You said "do we really"????? What , so it wasn't him, he's been dead for ten years, Obama has made it all up, FFS! And yes I agree that Usama was a Vile and godless Muslim, hell bent on destroying western society but my point was that it would be good for the "west" to show ordinary moderate Muslim people that we do not hate Islam and we are not at war with them because some of them are at war with us.

Log Man +1