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ikw777
ikw777
QLD
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QLD, 2995 posts
17 Apr 2013 12:23pm
Returning to Queensland soon and will be getting a secondhand van. Everyone will say get a Toyota Hiace, and with good reason, but they seem overpriced.

A lot of Mitsubishi Expresses around that seem better value for money, but I have always thought there was a question mark over quality/durability. Does anyone have an opinion on whether they would be a good van or just likely to blow smoke, leak oil, and generally fall apart etc. Thinking about the 2.4 litre models.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
17 Apr 2013 12:46pm
I've got a 96 Mitsubishi Delica so I can't comment directly on the Expresses. However at work they have a fairly new Express, a 2011 model or something like that.

The funny thing is my van seems like a van from the 90s or even early naughties. The Express is like a van from the 80s.

theDoctor
theDoctor
NSW
5786 posts
NSW, 5786 posts
17 Apr 2013 12:53pm


suzuki apv

craptacular and cheap
smicko
smicko
WA
2503 posts
WA, 2503 posts
17 Apr 2013 1:10pm
Those Delicas are pretty much a Pajero with a van body dropped on top. Not a bad bus at all and pretty cheap. Go ok in the dirt, much the same as a Paj. The 3 litre petrol is the same as the Magna motor, pretty bulletproof and nice and torquey. Watch oil consumption on higher k ones. The 2.8TD is the same as the Paj, good old donk but a little underpowered for a bus of that size.

The secret with these grey imports is when you need a part, remove the part you need and go to Repco etc and hold it up and say "I need one of these" If you try to tell them you need an oil filter etc for a Delica chances are you'll end up with the wrong bit as it won't show up on their parts list.

Unless you go to a Delica specialist and then you'll pay 64thousand dollars for the oil filter that would've cost $6.40 from Repco. This is speaking from my experience with Nissan Terrano, aka Pathfinder but sharing very little in parts with the Oz model.
MavericK040
MavericK040
WA
583 posts
WA, 583 posts
17 Apr 2013 6:52pm
As a mechanic, i personally hate mitsubishi's especially any that were built in Australia,

Delica's seem to go ok but i have never worked on one, but i will say that anyone i have ever talked to who owned an Express said it was a POS. and i would have to concur after working on a few.

ask yourself whats more important,

comfort ( engine and road noise are bad in L300/Express ) safety and reliability,

or

cheap to buy and cheap to fix ( which you may be doing allot of )

that said the Mercedes MB series vans are also rubbish but they were made by ssangyong.

if price is your concern, ide go with a half decent Mazda E2000 or Ford Econovan as long as it has at least some maintenance history and is in reasonable condition, as they are heaps better than a Mitsubishi

Mitsubishi build quality =

ikw777
ikw777
QLD
2995 posts
QLD, 2995 posts
17 Apr 2013 8:54pm
MavericK040 said...
As a mechanic, i personally hate mitsubishi's especially any that were built in Australia,

Delica's seem to go ok but i have never worked on one, but i will say that anyone i have ever talked to who owned an Express said it was a POS. and i would have to concur after working on a few.

ask yourself whats more important,

comfort ( engine and road noise are bad in L300/Express ) safety and reliability,

or

cheap to buy and cheap to fix ( which you may be doing allot of )

that said the Mercedes MB series vans are also rubbish but they were made by ssangyong.

if price is your concern, ide go with a half decent Mazda E2000 or Ford Econovan as long as it has at least some maintenance history and is in reasonable condition, as they are heaps better than a Mitsubishi

Mitsubishi build quality =




Great advice. Thanks. Yes, I have already had my eye on one or two E2000s and read good things about them.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23684 posts
WA, 23684 posts
17 Apr 2013 7:18pm
Agreed Mitsi build quality is rubbish.

My Challenger is problems that no Subaru, toyota etc would have at the same age.

As for the 3L petrol (Pajero/Challenger/Deli) being torquey - WTF? On good hard sand driving it is 4000rpm all the way, changing up and down a bit. My mate's 3L TD Patrol or the TD Prado just stays on 2K with a touch of accelerator now and then.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
17 Apr 2013 10:06pm
ikw777 said...

Returning to Queensland soon and will be getting a secondhand van. Everyone will say get a Toyota Hiace, and with good reason, but they seem overpriced.


They are not overpriced. Being a Toyota quality built vehicle to start with, they hold their value.

As with most things, you get what you pay for.

A friend has a Hi Ace Super Custom (second hand Jap import) and it is a beautiful van with parts not being a problem.

Here is one for only $5,500. You can people move with it. You can fold the seats down and camp in it with surf boards etc under the seats or you can unclip or unbolt the seats if you want to shift shiz around.

www.carsales.com.au/?utm_source=carpoint/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=SSE-AD-1139203&Cr=14
smicko
smicko
WA
2503 posts
WA, 2503 posts
17 Apr 2013 8:20pm
Mark _australia said...

As for the 3L petrol (Pajero/Challenger/Deli) being torquey - WTF? On good hard sand driving it is 4000rpm all the way, changing up and down a bit. My mate's 3L TD Patrol or the TD Prado just stays on 2K with a touch of accelerator now and then.




Apples with apples thanks Mark, compare the 3lt petrol mitsi with the 2.7lt petrol Toyo motor of the same era and the Mitsi ****s all over it. You can't compare a 30 year old petrol motor with a modern common rail diesel in the torque stakes.
That's like comparing my knob with Ron Jeremy's.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
17 Apr 2013 9:41pm
but why do we keep seeing the same custon painted wicked campers all over Australia year after year?
as bad as they are,they dont seem to stop.
theter is a high roof one at our tip at the moment that was driven in still licenced and nobody is willing to offer scrap price
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
17 Apr 2013 11:04pm
landyacht said...
but why do we keep seeing the same custon painted wicked campers all over Australia year after year?
as bad as they are,they dont seem to stop.
theter is a high roof one at our tip at the moment that was driven in still licenced and nobody is willing to offer scrap price


They might of been running down there but they all seem to die when they arrive here.
One thing to remember is a hiace is almost twice the cost of an express when new
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15101 posts
WA, 15101 posts
18 Apr 2013 6:51am
ikw777 said...

Great advice. Thanks. Yes, I have already had my eye on one or two E2000s and read good things about them.


I hope they fixed the problem, but the series of E2000 that I had seemed to have a problem with the sealant between the body and the roof and would develop rust all the way around the roof, and in a bad way.

A few visible spots on the roof really meant deep rust. I had this problem on mine, and now every time I see an E2000 I check out the same area and I have seen the same symptoms in a few.
elbows
elbows
23 posts
23 posts
18 Apr 2013 7:26am
I've had an express van since 2003 , from new till now 280 kls , no problems at all in 10 years .
pepe47
pepe47
WA
1382 posts
WA, 1382 posts
18 Apr 2013 9:04am
Love my Delica, left at the airport for two weeks at a time and I know no-one will steal it while there are other cars to choose from. Always starts and runs well. Does 0-100 in just under a week, but will eventually get there, I'm happy

Btw, you can get rid of the excess smoke by blanking off the egr valve. Recycling the exhaust will not make the car run well!!
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