Apple Branded TV Set - why?

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Simondo
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3 Dec 2011 1:15pm
Below is the article. Why would anyone want an Apple branded TV? What killer feature would entice you to buy one?

Very easy answer... It will probably have a simple user interface, 1 remote for everything, plus voice control, and any idiot will be able to operate the entire system.

Here's a short story... We went to a wedding the other weekend and my brother in law was doing the baby sitting. He had to ring me so I could explain how to use the TV, DVD, and ABC for kids, and FoxTel. It took me 8 minutes on the phone to explain it all. I can tell you one thing, remote controls shouldn't be that hard to operate!!! [}:)] My SONY TV is very good, but the "external inputs" (DVD, Fox, etc) are tucked away in such an obscure menu position... I don't blame my brother in law for having trouble...

Imagine telling your system to "play DVD", or "TV on, ABC2", etc. I bet you $5 that this is what Apple is working on.




www.theage.com.au/technology/why-would-i-want-an-apple-television-20111202-1oa6f.html

Why hand the remote to control freaks like Apple?
The rumours of an Apple-branded television are growing stronger, but I still don't think they make much sense for Apple or for us. Apple's future lies in content and services, supported by tiny throwaway devices sold at premium prices. Why would Apple want to get mixed up in the cut-throat television market when it can sell you content via gadgets such as the Apple TV media player?
I don't think an Apple Television makes sense for shoppers either. Yes, I know that "Smart" TVs are all the rage, but I've always felt the best approach to shopping for televisions is to buy the best picture quality you can afford. Ensure it's got plenty of HDMI inputs and then let your set-top boxes do the heavy lifting.
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In other words, buy a dumb television with a great picture and hook up a few smart devices. Smart devices such as games consoles, internet-enabled Blu-ray players and media players like the tiny Apple TV. You might be prepared to replace these set-top boxes every few years but, if you're going to spend thousands on a new television, you certainly don't want to get stuck on a smartphone-esque 24-month upgrade cycle.
Owners of the original Apple TV got burned when Apple released a new model and declined to add many of the best features to the old model. Now imagine this was all built into your television, so you were looking at $999+ for a new Apple television rather than $99 for a new Apple media player. If you don't think Apple would do that, just look at every other product it sells. Once it's 24 months old it's obsolete.
Also keep in mind that Apple products tend to lack the advanced features of the competition, a price you pay for elegant gadgets which "just work". What kind of functionality will Apple expect us to sacrifice in return for an integrated Apple Television? Do you really want Apple to rule your television with an iron fist the way it does smartphones and tablets? What won't you be able to watch? What won't you able to connect to your television? Which features will Apple add or take away on a whim via a firmware update?
Considering the Apple TV media player already integrates your television with the iTunes ecosystem, Apple will need to add something pretty amazing to entice people to upgrade to an Apple Television. It can't be merely content, as the Apple TV has that covered. If you want even more online content, your money should go towards a Sony Blu-ray player or D-Link's Boxee Box.
Chances are the Apple Television's big attraction will be Siri, but I don't think the ability to talk to my television is enough to entice me to hand over complete control of my lounge room to Apple. The other drawcard might be an iOS-style app-driven interface that some people have been expecting to see on the Apple TV media player. But keep in mind that iOS5 now offers video mirroring via the Apple TV, running from iGadgets with the new A5 processor.
What killer feature would entice you to buy an Apple-branded television? Which features do you think it might sacrifice for the Apple logo?


Read more: www.theage.com.au/technology/why-would-i-want-an-apple-television-20111202-1oa6f.html#ixzz1fQg7iMcu
theDoctor
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3 Dec 2011 1:21pm


"smart tv's" ...hahahaha

Well, yes I guess in relation to the person watching it
pweedas
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3 Dec 2011 10:39am
Simondo said...

He had to ring me so I could explain how to use the TV, DVD, and ABC for kids, and FoxTel. It took me 8 minutes on the phone to explain it all.



Run out and buy a Logitech Harmony 600 universal remote for about 70 to $90.

I've got a barrage of 7 remotes and some of them look the same in the half dark.
It made watching tv an exercise in self restraint to stop myself throwing the remote at the tv.
Now I just press one button to turn on whatever is needed and configure it to do whatever I want. It controls the tv, foxtel box, sound system and hard disc time shift recorder, Blu Ray player.
It only turns on those devices required for whatever you select.
And one button to turn them all off afterwards.

The "watch tv" button turns on all the required devices and configures the inputs.
Likewise for watching Free to air tv or a Blu Ray or standard DVD or watch something on the media player.
You program it on your computer to do all the things you usually do and then load it onto the remote.
It takes a while to set up and you wonder if it's all worth it but once it's set up it's magic.
You can change the setup later if you buy something new.
kiteboy dave
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3 Dec 2011 2:15pm
1. ^^^^^^ what he said. I got a harmony 1100 for the parents. Took a while to program but now it has a colour touchscreen button for everything. Starts with 'watch tv' or 'watch dvd' or 'listen to CD' etc etc.

2. Apple will make it so apple fanboys can pay 1.5 times the going rate for a low spec but pretty looking unit that is, as you say, easy to operate for beginners. It will no doubt integrate the horrible eye-tunes and talk directly with all the other iDevices in said fanboy's house.

Simondo
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3 Dec 2011 3:31pm
Logitech Remote could be the go actually. I'll check them out.
adolf
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3 Dec 2011 12:56pm
This is why



M$ remote and apple remote side by side, both do the same thing
Mark _australia
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3 Dec 2011 1:10pm
Conidering there is bvgger-all worth watiching, I have a TV, a VCR to tape stuff and a DVD player.

Why make it so complex?

Watch 4hrs a week on the old outdated equipment and spend the $10K saved on watersports gear.
Simondo
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3 Dec 2011 4:36pm
Good point Adolf. Menu button on remote will be a feature.
Mobydisc
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3 Dec 2011 5:58pm
I too use a Logitech Harmony remote. Its the second one as the first one died after a couple of years of use. Logitech have a huge database of equipment that can be programmed to work with a harmony. Not too difficult to set up either.

petermac33
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3 Dec 2011 3:27pm
People get fixated with all this hi-tech crap,rather that waking up to what is going on,especially above their head,aka last saturday.

Must have electric windows in the car--waste of time fidgiting in the dark trying to find the right button,then difficult to get right adjustment.

Must have 60k 4wd,go into debt so you can impress friends----wtf.

Get back to basics,you don't need to nuke your food in the micro-wave to save a precious few seconds!

Most spend more time on their mobile phone than they do clapping their dog,don't know how to even use one myself.

bobajob
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3 Dec 2011 6:25pm
"Get back to basics,you don't need to nuke your food in the micro-wave to save a precious few seconds!"

They save money in efficiency by using less energy.....so you can watch your 55" plasma longer!
Toots
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3 Dec 2011 5:01pm
I have a windows PC that does everything, it has a TV card so I can watch, record and rewind TV, I can play all the games I want although I only ever play COD MW occasionally these days if at all, and occassionally zynga poker on a facebook.
If I want to catch up on anything I go to the TV station's website and watch it there, mainly only SBS and ABC, I cant stand advertisements where "environment" and "Carbon friendly" and "New Gen" are the new catchcry power words for the great unwashed.
My remote is my wireless mouse. I can hook it up to my projector if I want big screen

The last apple computer I used was in 1985; an Apple IIe, I had some great animated porn on 5" Floppy, that was all it was good for.
Mark _australia
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3 Dec 2011 5:24pm
^^^ Noooo Toots you have it so wrong

In addition you need a mobile phone that does all the same stuff, a top end PC (replaced every 6months), and a 4m wide TV and $10K surround sound so it is just like the movies (even thought you can go to the real movies 500 times for the same cost)

It is not about what you can watch or engage in, it is being able to watch it or engage in it anytime anywhere and making sure the Joneses know you can

Simondo
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3 Dec 2011 8:36pm
I have TV plugged into my computer too. It's great. Relatively inexpensive. You can frame it up as a 1-2 inch TV screen within the screen, or FULL SCREEN or anything in between. Plus record, rewind etc.
swoosh
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3 Dec 2011 10:10pm
the people that will buy this.


Ted the Kiwi
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6 Dec 2011 11:05am
Looks like a fun battle is starting as we speak Simondo.


DECEMBER 05, 2011 ARTICLE 1 OF 10

Change channel ... talking to your television is just one way you will interact with devices.
Are you perceiving me: the next step in gadgetry's evolution
NICK BILTON

TELEVISION and many other devices, including mobile phones and cars, are about to get more perceptive.

On Tuesday, millions of Microsoft Xbox users will be able to download an update to their game console that will enable them to talk to their televisions. "Xbox, play the Harry Potter movie," will whisk them into the world of wizards. "Xbox, change the channel to ESPN," will put them at the game.

Apple is planning to adapt its Siri voice-command software – which has made the iPhone 4S a hit – to an Apple-branded TV.

Microsoft beat it to the punch, but by the time Apple TVs show up, probably in 2013, both Siri and Microsoft's voice commands will be far more sophisticated.

Meanwhile, Siri is expected to advise and console the owners of the next version of the Apple iPad, and it will most likely figure in future updates to the iPod too.

Before you know it, you'll be talking to all your gadgets, and typing on them much less than you do today.

In the car, voice commands make complete sense. In the kitchen, too, where your hands are otherwise occupied or just plain messy. In the living room, we could finally see the end to annoying remote controls that can have more buttons than a NASA space shuttle control room.

Yet talking to your television is just one way you will interact with devices. For example, the Xbox allows people to wave at their television, flipping though video content by flailing their hands in the air. A computer's ability to read our gestures will become more subtle.

"There are methods to talk to computers that are even simpler than things like voice," says Yael Maguire, a visiting scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Harvard University. "Everything we do, every movement of our body, our hands, our eyes can all become digital and will convey and fill in little gaps of information."

We're not talking about computer chips implanted in our heads – although this will be entirely feasible for some people. Instead, you will talk to your computer, smartphone and television much as you communicate with a puppy.

Take Pixel, my dog. When I tell her to go to her bed, I say those words. But my eyes usually dart to her bed and she picks up that cue. Dogs are very good at picking up humans' non-verbal cues. Your computer will soon do the same thing.

If I meet someone, my smartphone should know if we are meeting for the first time by close observation. If I introduce myself and shake hands, our phones should then automatically exchange information. No need for antiquated business cards.

If my TV knows there is someone else in the room with me, it could suggest content to watch, either by recognising me visually, or by talking directly to my iPhone to learn the shows we both like on Facebook or Twitter. The movie I am watching will automatically pause when I need to go to the bathroom. The TV will just turn on and off when I sit down or stand up.

As Maguire says, our devices could follow any number of cues to understand what we're doing. "We shouldn't have to tell our phones that we're going for a run and want to track our distance; it should just know by the fact that we start running," he said.

The television, which has changed only aesthetically since its invention, is about to be completely disrupted by these new interfaces. In the process, it is about to become a lot smarter – maybe even as smart as Pixel.

The New York Times
getfunky
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6 Dec 2011 11:26am
Have said it many times before..

Apple make nifty product but what they do best is marketing them and creating a 'must have to be relevant/funky/seen' vibe amongst the sheeple out there.

Myeh.. when they put an Apple Teev with a nifty white motif in a $100k Screw U Vehicle... then I will be interested.
BabaORiley
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6 Dec 2011 11:33am
just got my mobile updated to an iphone 4. Brilliant, i feel cool, trendy, popular. Now how the f#$k do i use it
Any good surf apps? Does seabreeze have one? If not, why not and they should.
I suspect this has been discused elsewhere on a forum.
Zed
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7 Dec 2011 10:20am
getfunky said...

Have said it many times before..

Apple make nifty product but what they do best is marketing them and creating a 'must have to be relevant/funky/seen' vibe amongst the sheeple out there.




Yeah ass am example - the first gen Ipods were **, battery life was awful and they would keep on freezing. I had a Sony Mp3 player which was far better from a hardware perspective, like comparing a Lada to a Porsche, but unfortunately Sony's marketing dept were out to lunch, permanently...
Toots
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Ted I can see some of that technology being useful for monitoring elder/ sick/ disabled people, but could you imagine watching a TV show and someone walking into the room and it suddenly pausing suggesting programs you both like according to what you write about on facebook and twitter? I mean crikey, does everything have to be so socio media centric? not to mention the silly invasion of enjoyment for the sake of such seeming politeness in a machine.
Ted the Kiwi
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9 Dec 2011 10:45am
I agree Toots. I hate all te crap my GF watches already without the TV thinking it knows that I want to watch it because she is in the lounge! I hope if it does come to that it will have some form of kiddy control so I can override her.

I am not a fan of even having the TV on at home except for sport and news. All of these new digital channels just give her more reason to watch crap!!
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