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Australia Day Perth air show cancelled

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Created by Tequila ! > 9 months ago, 17 Nov 2017
Tequila !
WA, 803 posts
17 Nov 2017 11:49AM
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www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/air-show-grounded-skyworks-flight-display-cancelled-20171117-gznhuw.html

Nanny state strikes again!

Because of the irresponsible exhibitionist behavior of this pilot who killed himself and who he was trying to impress, the show is cancelled for ALL.

After 27 years without incidents. Yes the investigation is still on but when will authorities and media will clearly nominate who was the sole responsible for this (pilot) instead of trying to sweeten up and dilute his own responsability?

I know must be tough for the families and relatives from the deceased to read he as the responsible guy, but this trend Australia has to blame on the trigger instead of who pulled it all the time will simply kill any fun we have left in life.

Waiting for the team who will blame the Sky in 3....2....1....

rod_bunny
WA, 1089 posts
17 Nov 2017 1:17PM
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If only he'd just dropped 10 eh?








(Yes I know people died etc but it does fit with the skies fault narrative)

HENDO 77
WA, 285 posts
17 Nov 2017 3:52PM
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I don't think we call it Australia Day anymore either . WHATS THIS WORLD COMING TO

Rupert
TAS, 2967 posts
17 Nov 2017 7:02PM
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HENDO 77 said..
I don't think we call it Australia Day anymore either . WHATS THIS WORLD COMING TO


Anyone can call it what they like "HENDO", me, I' will be calling January the 26th Australia Day for the rest of my life no matter what anyone tells me.

FlySurfer
NSW, 4425 posts
17 Nov 2017 7:40PM
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I guess that was Perth's main event... got anything else to look forward to?

Gazuki
WA, 1363 posts
17 Nov 2017 4:50PM
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FlySurfer said..
I guess that was Perth's main event... got anything else to look forward to?


Rooting your mum!

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
17 Nov 2017 7:31PM
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It's an air show and hardly the main event. Not that many will notice it missing.

It was probably binned for insurance reasons, after the City of Perth claimed last years cancelled fireworks on their insurance policy, I'd imagine the insurance company had more 'input' this year...

FlySurfer
NSW, 4425 posts
18 Nov 2017 8:46AM
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Gazuki said..

Rooting your mum!


I knew you lot had it bad, but necrophilia ain't cool.

Buster fin
WA, 2568 posts
18 Nov 2017 7:15AM
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FlySurfer said..


I knew you lot had it bad, but necrophilia ain't cool.


It sure aint warm.

Mark _australia
WA, 22109 posts
18 Nov 2017 1:13PM
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Buster fin said.. It sure aint warm.



Pop over for a cold one later?

nicephotog
NSW, 251 posts
18 Nov 2017 6:46PM
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Air show ?!?!?! How about "no show"!!!
Australia has the longest distances in the worst environment on earth in all aspects for long distance travel but it has nearly zilch private pilots licensed and no real aircraft industry beyond experimental whereas the slightly milder USA has multi billion dollar light aircraft industry !!!
The Australian governemnt does not simply score useless for the past 40 to 50 years , it scores underhanded corruption to report to the UN.
Travel problems and common sense day to day activity the alike are common symptoms in history before most genocidal dictators got into power.
--- What day ?!?!?
windsolarhybridaustralia.x10.mx/PPL-light-aircraft.pdf

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
19 Nov 2017 6:02PM
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So in essence, the organizers are saying that the RAAF hasn't the ability to put safe aircraft into service and a fly over Perth waters.
Yeah-Nar, the public not swallowing that crap, organizers.

jn1
2454 posts
19 Nov 2017 6:38PM
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Reminds me of the first and only Cannonball Run in 1994. They continued the race after that accident, but the event was never continued because a lawyer whispered in somebodies ear.

quikdrawMcgraw
1221 posts
20 Nov 2017 4:31AM
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FlySurfer said..
I guess that was Perth's main event... got anything else to look forward to?


The fly eating contest! Just let em fly in and chew chew chew!

Juddy
WA, 1103 posts
21 Nov 2017 3:12PM
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I mean seriously - who goes to an air show & doesn't expect there to be a crash &/or death(s)?

Find me one airshow where there hasn't been a crash & I'll find you bored....

Haircut
QLD, 6480 posts
25 Nov 2017 7:33PM
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Nt cannonball Run - Was that before or after Jen and johnny lost track of the thing?

nicephotog
NSW, 251 posts
11 Jan 2018 7:41PM
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Juddy said..
I mean seriously - who goes to an air show & doesn't expect there to be a crash &/or death(s)?

Find me one airshow where there hasn't been a crash & I'll find you bored....



Pretty good (accurate) comment and statement (DAMN GOOD POINT) !!!
RISK is exactly that , even the red arrows have had fatalities and incidents !

Australian RAAF flying display accident 1988 (nostalgia - "malformentia accent")


1962
www.heraldsun.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes

Here's the Perth accident video ,
When the aircraft turned "2" aerodynamic problems occurred,
1. "Sharp immense tight turn" possibly caused by left engines slowing, or right engine speeding up caused immense speed loss and hence under-wing flight lift compression from the speed loss (cant lift).
2. The aircraft ALSO was banking heavily and there was also final "banking(turning) slide". (slide during turning is prevented by an aircraft being at or above flight speed or its within its flight condition conditions e.g. flaps down but sufficient air speed)
The video shows very well what occurred, wonder if there is any good audio anywhere to understand engine status.


Just a point of "understanding aerodynamic capabilities and what civilian aircraft cannot do by design".

Here is an aircraft that can do what he may have been trying to do because it is designed for that action !
aerodynamic structural Subtlety !

"Supermarine Spitfire variant"
Empty Weight: 4,306 lb (1,953 kg) 4,963 lb (2,251 kg)
engine: Rolls-Royce Merlin 1,800 hp
Maximum speed: 367 mph (582 km/h) at 18,600 ft (5,669 m) / 314 knots
Personnel: 1
-------------------------------
"piper matrix (domestic civil aviation aircraft)"
Maximum takeoff weight: 1969 lb (893 kg)
engine: 350hp
213 kt / 395 km/h / 245 mph
people: 6 seat



If you fly a civilian aircraft design "including single seat" you handle them similar to the maneuvering of a 747 (slow and gentle), they do not handle aerobatics , although some civil light aircraft have "bad weather" design accreditation and can handle 9G's.

If you are reading this and watch this video and have flown a civilian aircraft in a way that appears similar to the real life speed sync "of seeing the following video, then it is an absolute miracle you are alive" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


No different finally to this more benign crash video.


Just found this video of the Perth swan river air crash with (some suitable) sound, As he was turning i would say he lost power to his left engine as
you can "hear" the throttle being applied to which the pilot will have found his left not responding and hence
then reducing power with the throttle to cease the sudden tight turning,
the tight turning caused air speed loss "to below flight control speed"
but he has not either handled the "banking slide" caused by the right engine lift and turn "effect" (left dragging)
NOTE , he was in a very low speed turn at the time.


If he applied his flaps (because he was at low speed rather than attempt to fix the engine power imbalance) he may have had a good chance.

From the following he may have "actually been flying too slow (threshold)" (note: turning causes speed loss - standard aerodynamic aircraft flight point) for the aircraft specifications "and hit by a tail wind(?)".


Of hearing the engine "racing" suddenly in the video , the other option is the fuel "failed at a common point to both engines (left first and right moments later)", and the aircraft engines have carburetor (sound of carbs bowls having less fuel causing higher air to fuel ratio).



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