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Mr float
Mr float
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4 Oct 2012 4:54pm
Arrrgh me hearties .Its that time again when the reserve bank cuts rates (what rates no one seems to take any notice of them anymore )and good ol capn feather sword (Wayne Swan ) waves his feathersword around in anger at those greedy ol banks .Yep once again the silence is deafening as the banks collectively imply "you've gotta be kidding feathersword we've got intitutional investors and other shareholders and executive bonuses to be paid me ol hearty " .(On the flip side if they are going up there is no problemos with adjusting the rate on the ol upward scale )
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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4 Oct 2012 5:01pm
Wasn't it exactly the same when Howard, Costello and co were running the show? Talk is cheap. Action is needed. Remove the legal and competition protections financial institutions have to rack up huge profits and pay their executives millions.

At least the ALP has made it easier for people to change financial institutions if they find a better deal somewhere else.
Mr float
Mr float
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4 Oct 2012 5:50pm
Mobydisc said...
Wasn't it exactly the same when Howard, Costello and co were running the show? Talk is cheap. Action is needed. Remove the legal and competition protections financial institutions have to rack up huge profits and pay their executives millions.

At least the ALP has made it easier for people to change financial institutions if they find a better deal somewhere else.




arrggggh now there's a good idea me hearties ,why hasn't feathersword thought of that one, argggh and yes ol matey the libs are pretty thin on ideas on how to change the staus quo of the banks givin the ol collective bird to naysayers
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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4 Oct 2012 6:12pm
If the problems that the banks can buy cheaper money off the RBA and then won't pass on the discount then why not cut out the middle men and let the citizens of the commonwealth to borrow money directly from the RBA and let depositors stick their money in with the RBA?

Personally I am all for the market to come up with the best solution for a problem. However we don't have a free market with banking. We have this quasi free market that is free in some ways and is completely fascist in others. For example there is no way in the world I can ask to be paid my salary in cash or in kind. My pay is always paid into an account that is looked after by a financial institution of some sort. Same for people receiving welfare.

If we can't have a free market with banking then we need tight regulation on how much they can earn, their return on capital, how they earn it and how much they can pay the bosses. Otherwise we start to enter a morally hazardous situation where banks are guaranteed private profits through what is effectively rent seeking using legal guaranteed monopolies.


Otherwise open up the industry.

kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
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4 Oct 2012 7:06pm
Did this last time. Industry is open. Walk down street to nearest non-profit Credit Union. Problem solvered.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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4 Oct 2012 7:23pm
kiteboy dave said...
Did this last time. Industry is open. Walk down street to nearest non-profit Credit Union. Problem solvered.


True. UBank offers a good deal on mortgages too right now.
Mr float
Mr float
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4 Oct 2012 8:30pm
kiteboy dave said...
Did this last time. Industry is open. Walk down street to nearest non-profit Credit Union. Problem solvered.




Really ? .I'm all ears. I note that once again defying the general maliase in the stock market banks "gained strongly" again today .I wonder why.Perhaps a collective 17 mil perday while they sit on their hands has something to do with it. Alan Cola quickly flashed the graph showing the dif between the official rate and bank rates on th abc news tonight .A sizeable gap indeed me hearties.
Mr float
Mr float
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4 Oct 2012 8:38pm
aaargh me hearties I see that u bank is a NAB offshoot .noice !!. Well I did me calculations and it seems if Oim an accountant,banker or a lawyer with spitloads of income behoind me oim sittin pretty .Otherwise oim fooked .Now if your thinkin of a business loan yur toatally fooked
SP
SP
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4 Oct 2012 6:57pm
what the RBA say about banks and rates.

www.rba.gov.au/publications/bulletin/2012/mar/5.html

this bit is taken from about halfway through.

Banks' Lending Rates

For close to a decade prior to the global financial crisis, banks' overall cost of funds followed the cash rate closely, as risk premia in markets were low and stable. There was also little change in the relative importance of equity capital that, together with debt, provides funds used to make loans and on which banks seek a return. Likewise, there was little change in the risk margins banks used to determine loan rates. Accordingly, interest rates on business and housing variable-rate loans tended to adjust in line with the cash rate. Nevertheless, over this period there was a gradual decline in the spread between average interest rates paid on housing loans and the cash rate, as the discount to the indicator rate offered to new borrowers was increased. Indeed, the spread between the average mortgage rate paid and the cash rate declined from 275 basis points in 1996 to around 125 basis points in 2007.

Since the onset of the financial crisis, banks have increased the spread between lending rates and the cash rate for all loan types. The increases have, however, varied across the different types of loans, partly reflecting differences in the reassessment of the riskiness of those loans and expectations regarding loss rates.

Over 2011, the average interest rate on new variable-rate housing loans decreased by about 10 basis points relative to the cash rate as banks increased the size of the discounts on new mortgages amidst stronger competition for mortgage lending (Graph 9). In the latter stages of 2011 and early 2012 there was, however, a small reduction in these discounts. Furthermore, in early 2012, most banks increased their standard variable rates by an average of about 10 basis points. Consequently, between early 2011 and early 2012, the spread between new variable-rate loans and the cash rate has increased by about 5 basis points. The spread between the average interest rate on outstanding variable-rate housing loans and the cash rate has risen by a similar amount.

Graph 9



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Around two-thirds of business loan rates are tied to the bank bill swap rate rather than the cash rate. The level of interest rates on loans to large and small businesses has fallen broadly in line with the declines in benchmark rates over the past year, although this resulted in some increase in these rates relative to the cash rate since mid 2011. Risk margins on business lending have been little changed over the past couple of years, although in the case of large business lending some of the recent stability in margins on outstanding loans is likely to reflect the gradual repricing of facilities (Graph 10). This follows a period in which there was a noticeable increase in business lending rates relative to benchmark rates, reflecting a combination of higher relative funding costs and a reassessment of risk margins (RBA 2011). Higher risk margins resulted in both an increase in average spreads as well as a noticeable increase in the range of spreads paid on the stock of business lending. As a result of the former, small business rates, even those secured against residential property, are above the interest rates on housing loans
SP
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4 Oct 2012 7:03pm
kiteboy dave said...
Did this last time. Industry is open. Walk down street to nearest non-profit Credit Union. Problem solvered.


yep spot on, they are all just a different bunch of ****s with a different letterhead. Banks credit union, mortgage lenders, superfunds all the same.

but as you said that doesnt mean you cant get a good deal compared to what else is out there.
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
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4 Oct 2012 11:23pm
From credit union site:

We're focussed on people not profit
Unlike banks QPCU does not have to show a profit for investors. As a member owned mutual we are not under pressure to take risks to maximise profits for shareholders. We put your interests first. We have to - you are our owners.
worrier
worrier
WA
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5 Oct 2012 7:33am
"Alan Cola quickly flashed the graph showing the dif between the official rate and bank rates on th abc news tonight"

I love an Alan Cola graph. My day would not be complete without an Alan graph. If the ABC would bring the chick from the 24 channel back to the 7pm news I would be in heaven with her and Alan's graphs
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