Bashir gets 15 years

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log man
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17 Jun 2011 12:32am
pweedas
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16 Jun 2011 11:23pm
I don't think he will do any more than a year or two.
They will find some excuse to let him out early.
Ater all, he's a good muslim.
BabaORiley
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17 Jun 2011 12:14am
How are his fanatic followers goin to take the news?
Seen em all outside the court rooms bouncin around chanting s#%t faces covered.
Its times like that you need an uzi...
log man
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17 Jun 2011 12:07pm
We should really keep a eye on the Indo government and judiciary to make sure he does his time. Somehow we have to capture the middle ground of Indo Islam and show the reasonable ordinary people that the West and Australia are not their enemy
felixdcat
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17 Jun 2011 10:16am
we are lucky he did not go to court in OZ as I am sure the judge would have found he had a bad childhood as a muslim boy, was discriminated against 'cause he is ugly and stupid, had to look after 6 wife, had been bullied at the mosque......
He would have received $ 20,000.00 a house in suburbia and a pension from the dept. of multicultural affaires.
Wish you will find hell in your s**t hole!
doggie
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17 Jun 2011 10:17am
log man said...

We should really keep a eye on the Indo government and judiciary to make sure he does his time. Somehow we have to capture the middle ground of Indo Islam and show the reasonable ordinary people that the West and Australia are not their enemy


He gets 15years for killing 30+ people and Corby gets 20years for 5kgs of hooch.

Where is the justice there!!
felixdcat
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17 Jun 2011 10:18am
doggie said...

log man said...

We should really keep a eye on the Indo government and judiciary to make sure he does his time. Somehow we have to capture the middle ground of Indo Islam and show the reasonable ordinary people that the West and Australia are not their enemy


He gets 15years for killing 30+ people and Corby gets 20years for 5kgs of hooch.

Where is the justice there!!

Corby is not muslim!

doggie
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17 Jun 2011 10:20am
felixdcat said...

doggie said...

log man said...

We should really keep a eye on the Indo government and judiciary to make sure he does his time. Somehow we have to capture the middle ground of Indo Islam and show the reasonable ordinary people that the West and Australia are not their enemy


He gets 15years for killing 30+ people and Corby gets 20years for 5kgs of hooch.

Where is the justice there!!

Corby is not muslim!




Bali is not a muslim country.
felixdcat
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17 Jun 2011 10:30am
No doggie you are right it is traditionally Hindu but unfortunately the lovely Hindu Balinese are oppressed by the Indo muslim power ruling the island as it is part of Indonesia. I went there a few times and have some good Balinese friends, some are muslim and some are Hindu and they all complain about big brother from Jakarta!
dinsdale
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17 Jun 2011 10:45am
doggie said...
Bali is not a muslim country.

Bali is not a country - period! It's 1 tiny island amongst >5,000 islands which make up Indonesia - the largest muslim country on Earth.

bjw
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17 Jun 2011 12:46pm
doggie said...




Bali is not a muslim country.


You are right Bali is not a country.

But do you think Corby might hook up with Bashir in jail?
What cute little Terrorist/Beautician bodyboarding babies they will have.
dinsdale
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17 Jun 2011 10:53am
log man said...
We should really keep a eye on the Indo government and judiciary to make sure he does his time.

In the great scheme of things, what business is it of ours? Indonesia is a sovereign nation. I don't like what they do any more than you, but it's not our place to tell them what to do.

log man said...
Somehow we have to capture the middle ground of Indo Islam and show the reasonable ordinary people that the West and Australia are not their enemy

Dream on! Lefties and social engineering.[}:)]
doggie
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17 Jun 2011 10:55am
dinsdale said...

doggie said...
Bali is not a muslim country.

Bali is not a country - period! It's 1 tiny island amongst >5,000 islands which make up Indonesia - the largest muslim country on Earth.




Sorry I should have said "Balanise are not muslims".
bjw
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17 Jun 2011 1:34pm
Is this going to turn into another "Im scared of Islam" thread?
doggie
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17 Jun 2011 11:41am
bjw said...

Is this going to turn into another "Im scared of Islam" thread?


Please no, Im over all this religon talk
DUDE
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17 Jun 2011 1:43pm
They should perform a full sex change on him then send him back to his followers,
doggie
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17 Jun 2011 11:45am
DUDE said...

They should perform a full sex change on him then send him back to his followers,


+1 thats fn funny dude!!
log man
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17 Jun 2011 4:35pm
dinsdale said...

log man said...
We should really keep a eye on the Indo government and judiciary to make sure he does his time.

In the great scheme of things, what business is it of ours? Indonesia is a sovereign nation. I don't like what they do any more than you, but it's not our place to tell them what to do.

log man said...
Somehow we have to capture the middle ground of Indo Islam and show the reasonable ordinary people that the West and Australia are not their enemy

Dream on! Lefties and social engineering.[}:)]


Yeah my point was my interest is based in the misery caused by this man to many Australian families and they should feel some sort of justice has been done. And you second point "Dream on! Lefties and social engineering": I think it was PM Howard who instituted policies to try to break down some of the Islamist militant breeding grounds, especially those schools that seem to be a hotbed of hatred. One of the Really god things done by the Howard government.........Geez I thought that would hurt. Praising Howard is not my usual M.O .
doggie
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17 Jun 2011 5:30pm
Bashir jailing won't end threat:analysts

The jailing of radical Indonesian cleric Abu Bakar Bashir on terrorism charges will not diminish his influence on militant extremists unless he is strictly controlled behind bars, analysts say.

An Indonesian court jailed 72-year-old preacher for 15 years on Thursday after a four-month trial for funding a terrorist group that was planning attacks against Westerners and political leaders.

It was the culmination of a decade of trials and allegations against the alleged co-founder of the Jemaah Islamiah terror network responsible for a string of attacks including the 2002 Bali bombings that killed 202 people, including 88 Australians.

Many expect him to die behind bars but International Crisis Group analyst Sidney Jones said it was not the end of the Bashir story.

"I think the officials need to ensure that he does not lead a regular praying session from inside," she told Agence France-Presse.

"He's got to be treated like a high-risk individual rather than a celebrity. The challenge is to keep him from contact with other inmates who could be affected by his preaching."

It is a challenge Indonesia has ignored in the past, according to senior police, who say the mainly Muslim country's so-called deradicalisation program has been an arrant failure.

Independent studies of the country's prisons have shown they are breeding grounds for groups such as Jemaah Islamiah and Bashir's latest creation, the extremist Jemaah Ansharut Tauhid, founded in 2008.

Prison mosques are used to spread jihadist messages, convicted terrorists form "shadow governments" inside jails, and radical ideologues such as Bashir are allowed to run religious studies sessions and use mobile phones.

Research released last month by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute found recidivism was a major concern, as was the radicalisation of the non-jihadist inmate population and even the guards.

Indonesian terror expert Mardigu W Prasantyo said an inmate like Bashir should be banished to a "remote island" to keep him from doing more harm inside the notoriously corrupt and poorly managed prison system.

"Terrorists who are imprisoned here become first-class citizens. The toughest thugs in prison are even afraid of them," he told AFP.

"The inmates don't see them as having committed any crime. They're good at praying, have gentle eyes and they become shoulders to lean on."

Many analysts say that an effective police crackdown on Jemaah Islamiah has diminished Bashir's influence and led to a dangerous splintering of Indonesian jihadist groups into harder to track freelance cells.

But Prasantyo estimated Bashir still had about 35,000 fanatical followers who would hang on his every word, whether he was behind bars or not.

Prosecutors had demanded a life sentence for Bashir, who was found guilty of inciting terrorism and funding a terrorist cell discovered last year at a paramilitary camp in Aceh.

Police say the outfit was planning assassinations and attacks on Western targets by highly-trained suicide gunmen.

Bashir rejects all allegations of materially supporting terrorists, but openly calls for jihad against the West and Indonesia's secular national ideology.

For decades he has agitated in mosques, Islamic schools and through radical groups for the creation of an Islamic state under strict sharia law.

Previous stints behind bars have done nothing to reform his thinking.

"I reject this (sentence) because it is cruel and disregards Islamic sharia law. This ruling is by the friends of the devil and it is haram (forbidden) for me to accept it," he said in response to the judge's ruling.

University of Indonesia expert Andi Widjajanto said even if Bashir is effectively neutralised behind bars, a new spiritual leader would take his place as the patriarch of local militants.

"The new leader will try to prove he's worthy by launching a big attack of some sort," he said.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8262520
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