We all know it was just Labor's way of increasing taxes without increasing the more visible 'income tax' and pissing everyone off. Most people think that it's big evil corporations that pay and are too retared to see that it's actually just us as a consumer paying more for stuff and having sweet FA effect on the actual environment.

Mattygee: Emissions down 8% since introduction. Food cheaper than ever. Win Win. Stop buying abbott's cr@p.

Underoath: keeping some aussies in work?

kiteboy dave said...
Mattygee: Emissions down 8% since introduction. Food cheaper than ever. Win Win. Stop buying abbott's cr@p.

Underoath: keeping some aussies in work?

So far most of the increased energy prices have been absorbed by the producers. They have not passed them on until they see how much impact the carbon price is having on their cost base.
Julia origianlly said that producers could not increase their prices unless they could justify the increases by showing definite proof of their cost increases.
Now, six months after the tax was introduced the numbers are now coming in and current assessment is that it is causing a 14% increase on their energy costs.
This will now be added to the production costs and passed on to the suckers downstream. They are passed on and on until they reach the end of the chain and cant be passed down any further. And if you are wondering who might be that far down the chain, it's YOU and ME.
Be prepared for a long string of price increases in everything you buy.
It was only bought in as a deal to keep the greens happy and on side.
If you want more of the same, vote greens. They still think the price is too low and it should be $45.

mattyjee said...
We all know it was just Labor's way of increasing taxes without increasing the more visible 'income tax' and pissing everyone off. Most people think that it's big evil corporations that pay and are too retared to see that it's actually just us as a consumer paying more for stuff and having sweet FA effect on the actual environment.

Yep, and a far more digestible tax than what the Libs had in store. What do you think the unexplained hole was in Abbots numbers when he handed them over?

That would be an increase to the GST....... Reality is that we needed to pay more tax, the environmental card only pissed of half of society. Income tax or GST would have pissed off everyone.

FlySurfer said...

CMC said...
Reality is that we needed to pay more tax, the environmental card only pissed of half of society. Income tax or GST would have pissed off everyone.

One of the richest countries in the world in terms of natural resources to population size and with one of the highest tax rates, and we need higher taxes?

Bermuda needs higher taxes, we should be living like Qatari's.

We all complain about Taxes and prices of this and that.

You know, you can pay less tax and buy stuff much cheaper anywhere, you also earn less money BUT .....you have to live well....... not in Australia.

Fact is that we have infrastucture, a public medical and education system pretty much better than anywhere and we have an aging population.

Yes, we also have a lot of resources. K Rudd wanted to up the taxes on the resources, he was kicked out of government for it..... So yes, I imagine that an increase to taxes was necessary or no government in their right mind would introduce it.

The government are stupid and they waste money.

People don't like paying taxes.

The carbon tax is not perfectly formulated.

Some people don't "believe" in climate change.




Just thought I'd add something

Here's some economy / carbon tax myths busted in nice graph form. Everything is footnoted too, so while I can't say whether each one is true, it has a source shown which is a good start.

thefinnigans.blogspot.com/

Look back 50 or a hundred years. Look at the majority of the world today - poverty, famine, no water, no power, war, genocide, people just dying from basic diseases. We've won the lotto, each and every one of us. Just like the majority of lotto winners, a year later they're not happy. Wanting more, more, more.

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pweedas said...

kiteboy dave said...
Mattygee: Emissions down 8% since introduction. Food cheaper than ever. Win Win. Stop buying abbott's cr@p.

Underoath: keeping some aussies in work?

So far most of the increased energy prices have been absorbed by the producers. They have not passed them on until they see how much impact the carbon price is having on their cost base.
Julia origianlly said that producers could not increase their prices unless they could justify the increases by showing definite proof of their cost increases.
Now, six months after the tax was introduced the numbers are now coming in and current assessment is that it is causing a 14% increase on their energy costs.
This will now be added to the production costs and passed on to the suckers downstream. They are passed on and on until they reach the end of the chain and cant be passed down any further. And if you are wondering who might be that far down the chain, it's YOU and ME.
Be prepared for a long string of price increases in everything you buy.
It was only bought in as a deal to keep the greens happy and on side.
If you want more of the same, vote greens. They still think the price is too low and it should be $45.

Are you still trying to work out how the carbon tax works?

No. I'm not. Julia is.
She was silly enough to believe what she was told by the greens. And they are so smart that they think the boat problem can be solved by giving all the people in the immigration camps of Indonesia immediate entry into Australia.
Empty the camps they say.
That policy will be about as effective in solving that problem as the carbon tax will be in reducing CO2.
Whatever effect it might have will be swamped by one week of increased emissions from the rest of the world.
Actually, Julia didn't really care whether it worked or not so long as it secured the support of the greens.
It wasn't her policy. "There will be no carbon tax under the government that I lead",.. stated three (3) (iii) (0011) times.

Are you still trying to work out how the carbon tax works?

That policy will be about as effective in solving that problem as the carbon tax will be in reducing CO2.
Whatever effect it might have will be swamped by one week of increased emissions from the rest of the world.
Actually, Julia didn't really care whether it worked or not so long as it secured the support of the greens.
It wasn't her policy. "There will be no carbon tax under the government that I lead",.. stated three (3) (iii) (0011) times.

That's the lowest common denominator argument. ie We should take no action, because we are told by some people in the media and politics, who themselves are willing to tell lies to get into office (remembered John Howard and his non-core promises) that we will be acting alone.
There is another section of the media that reports that the Chinese are doing their best to go to renewables, even though they are massively building coal-fired power stations. There is some merit in the argument that they are only catching up to the sort of standard of living that a quite poor person in the West enjoys.

I don't know which lot of media hacks is telling the truth.

I also don't know if it's true that the highest part of the Chinese government is occupied by people with science and engineering training, rather than the loud mouths we have who went to university to study Arguing 101.
But I'll take a punt on the Chinese having more of a sense of long-term outcomes given their 4000 year history and 40 or 50 years of working their way up the party hierarchy than the Abbotts, Gillards (game on, anyone?) and Alan Joneses that we have allowed to become our leaders.