What if Carbon was charged but then all the money collected was shared back evenly to every ATN holder...? So you'd only really pay if you used more than average....

Would everyone be as angry about it then?

It wouldn't be Gillard, Rangas, Big government, rich celebrities or scientists, it would just be a way of getting Australia a little bit more used to the idea that power might cost more in the future - in a slow way that means we could change gradually....

You wouldn't even need to believe in global warming, climate change and all the stuff that people who study the weather for a living bang on about.

You could do it because you thought that relying on Arabs for oil wasn't a good idea.

No to any bloody carbon tax, no matter which shonky mob put it, or anything like it up!
This and is one time I side with Andrew Bolt from News ltd and Ch10 on this issue

Wouldn't it be simpler and cheaper not to have any tax or redistribution of income? It seems a bit silly to take with one hand and then give with the other. All it will do is make Australia an even more expensive place to live.

slainte said...

They already do, and it already is. March GDP figures down by 1.2%, another month like that and we are in recession

Maybe its a recession we need to have? Might slow the Gov. down and make them think a bit.

Gizmo said...

slainte said...

They already do, and it already is. March GDP figures down by 1.2%, another month like that and we are in recession

Maybe its a recession we need to have? Might slow the Gov. down and make them think a bit.

Is that you Paul

It wouldn't be just taking it and giving it back again because there are big variances in consumption.

Cisco would get a refund cos of his smart meter. www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/General-Discussion/Chat/Queenslands-Climate-Smart-Program/

People that lived in small apartments in the middle of cities would get a refund.

People that put their daughters in small cars would get a refund www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/General-Discussion/Chat/Whats-a-good-car-for-my-18yo-daughter/?whichpage=1

People that had small families would get a refund

People that built their houses facing the right angle would get a refund www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/General-Discussion/Chat/building-a-new-house/

People that went windsurfing instead of jetskiing would get a refund


Giving people $900 back to squander on utter **** isn't going to keep the economy going either.

ps Just incidently, I think that Australia is about to have a large retail lead recession. House prices are going to drop (say 25%) as key employers cut back and the labour market cools off. If the Aussie dollar remains ridiculously high, then a lot of the big employers of 'professional workers' will send more stuff abroad (to India, to China and to the US and the UK - where wages are lower now). If the Australian government can take something out of the resources "industry" (real industry involves creating value, not digging it out and selling it) then it will lower the tax burden on other industries, allow the currency to find a realistic level and have a buffer with which to keep stuff going.

theDoctor said...



you used to seriously carry on if you were holier than thou...


time has told

you are but a tool...

a ginger one at that.

Yes, I am holier than thou and your response is both witty and considered. There is not a hint of arrogance in any of your posts.... there is nothing old or bitter about you.

I'm unticking the shooting the breeze tick box again. I have better things to do than argue with you.

would like to post but to intoxicated.
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