the expansion of the universe and movement of stars is happening on an unfathomable time scale! compared to this, the amount of time humans have been around is comparatively less than a second.

At least one of these 'alignments' is now out of alignment. In one of the pyramids (can't remember which) there is a carefully constructed, long, narrow 'peep hole' that does not seem to align with anything in particular. Apparently, once the 'wobble' of the earth on it's axis is taken into account, around the time of construction, the peephole was aligned with the middle star of the belt of orion.

Salatiela said...

^^gav whats deep time?

you know, that time the mrs wants. aka quality.

Not only what barn said but also the fact that all the stars that you can see with your naked eye exist completely in our own galaxy. Expansion of the universe happens on much larger scales than that - it's about whole galaxies moving apart. So the stars you see aren't affected by expansion.

On the other hand, the constellations can drift due to orbiting the galaxy at slightly different speeds but for us one orbit takes about 100,000 years. And as barn said, stonehenge and the pyramids have been around a lot less than that.

barn said...

Scientists have us believe the continents are moving, but my GPS tracker still finds my house every day.. Ergo; Scientists are lying scum.. Burn them..

Age of the universe = 13.75 billion years

Age of the Earth = 4.54 billion years

Stonehenge = About 4000 years... . . .

These dates are not just guesses, they are numbers reached after empirical observations, that include all parameters.. Scientists don't have us believe in these numbers for fun... They are the truth, they are facts as real as the roundness of the Earth..

i understand, but to be the devils advocate - science historically has claimed truth to any and most all findings supported by other scientists, for example - europe being the centre of the earth till columbus and like minded adventurers took to the seas and decided to sail of the edge of the world...

Salatiela said...

^^gav whats deep time?

I think it's the opposite to shallow time

Salatiela said...


i understand, but to be the devils advocate - science historically has claimed truth to any and most all findings supported by other scientists, for example - europe being the centre of the earth till columbus and like minded adventurers took to the seas and decided to sail of the edge of the world...

It was never claimed by scientists that Europe was the centre of the universe, that was the Church..

Galileo invented Science, there were no scientists before him, only philosophers...

Columbus was an idiot, anybody who reads any of his exploits knows this..

We know the age and expansion of the universe by using good science that will never be 'turned upside down' by any Heliocentric-esque like revolution...

The dates are literally set in stone, radioactive dating is responsible for the dates along with Doppler observations..

The chance that these observations will one day be obsolete is as likely as Scientists discovering that Gravity doesn't exist or that we don't exist..

Those dates are facts..

barn said...

Salatiela said...


i understand, but to be the devils advocate - science historically has claimed truth to any and most all findings supported by other scientists, for example - europe being the centre of the earth till columbus and like minded adventurers took to the seas and decided to sail of the edge of the world...

It was never claimed by scientists that Europe was the centre of the universe, that was the Church..

Galileo invented Science, there were no scientists before him, only philosophers...

Columbus was an idiot, anybody who reads any of his exploits knows this..

We know the age and expansion of the universe by using good science that will never be 'turned upside down' by any Heliocentric-esque like revolution...

The dates are literally set in stone, radioactive dating is responsible for the dates along with Doppler observations..

The chance that these observations will one day be obsolete is as likely as Scientists discovering that Gravity doesn't exist or that we don't exist..

Those dates are facts..

Age of the universe = Aprox 13.75 billion years

Age of the Earth =Aprox 4.54 billion years

Stonehenge =Aprox/About 4000 years... . . .

bundeep said...

barn said...


Those dates are facts..

Those dates are outcomes of models based on observations, scientific theories and associated assumptions. To say they are 'facts' is a massive stretch of the term 'fact'. A lot of the scientific theories have changed over time, as has our powers of observation (new technology like hubble telescope) and hence its not unlikely that they, and hence the outcomes of the models, will not change in the future. This is more so in regards to the age of the universe.

They are as much facts as gravity and our own existence.. It's stretching the definition of fact according to an anal mathematician, or philosopher... But it's a fact trees are green, birds can fly, and that the universe is 13 billionish years old..

We know it's a fact because of the Radioactive decay of isotopes, just like C-14 but instead of the half life being a few thousand years, the half life of some elements is the age of the universe, twice the age of the universe, a quarter of the age of the universe etc.. These clocks all line up perfectly to tell us the Deep time..

We can count on the physical properties of the elements remaining consistant over the age of the universe, just like we count on Oxygen remaining combustable every time we breath..

Those are the facts.. Trees are green, universe old, birds fly... Not a massive stretch..

doggie said...
Age of the universe = Aprox 13.75 billion years

Age of the Earth =Aprox 4.54 billion years

Stonehenge =Aprox/About 4000 years... . . .

The approximation is implied by the significant figures, I did not write the Age of the universe is 13756385492 years and 16 days... Sig figs give you the accuracy. Stonehenge date is irrelevant when comparing to something billions of years old, might as well have been built yesterday..

doggie said...


From Wiki -

Wow getting pretty pedantic aren't we? Again, we are comparing something thats 4 thousand years old to something thats 14billion years old, there is 6 ****ing orders of magnitude between them!.. A physics professor would have no problem with 13.75 billion, why do you?..


It's possible to take a burette measurement of 13.75ml, it's accepted and very well could be .11ml out..

lol I kno, normally succeed also.. Blew your cover this time though, cause your not the pedantic type..

But Really, I'm trying to bait M_Aus with the age of the universe/big bang talk... No bites today..

doggie said...

barn said...

lol I kno, normally succeed also.. Blew your cover this time though, cause your not the pedantic type..

But Really, I'm trying to bait M_Aus with the age of the universe/big bang talk... No bites today..

I think he is on duty.

Never stopped him before

poor relative said...

barn said...

big bang

I had a big bang when i was in my early 20's.
I was living in London at the time. She was a well developed Spanish girl.
Went on for a week. Biggest bang i have ever had, blew my universe and everything

And she went on to become Mrs. Relative( aaaahhhhh, your such a romantic PR )

Carantoc said...

Stonehenge doesn't line up with anything.

Well - except the A303

Back in the early 90s/2000s, my dad was part of a project aiming to 'redirect' the A303 through a tunnel so that no visible road would be closer than about 2km to Stonehenge.
There would have been a viewing platform and you would have been allowed to walk to the site, but I think the money was never realised.

I always think that the 20 odd coaches and car park removes the grandeur of Stonehenge when you visit.

Trant said...
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I always think that the 20 odd coaches and car park removes the grandeur of Stonehenge when you visit.

The 7.50 GBP entry fee always removed the grandeur for me.

Especially as you got no better veiw than you did from the carpark, and there are some just as impressive sights close by that are unsigned, unfenced and free.