Contractor sick leave?

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oceanfire
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25 Nov 2011 9:37am
Does anyone know how to take a sick day off from work and get paid for it if you're a contractor, similar to if you were employed with full timer benefits?

Obviously I know that being a contractor, holiday pay and sick leave entitlements are built into your rate, but I was thinking there may be some sort of insurance you could take out if you are sick for a day or two (legitimately of course) and can't get to work.

Does anyone have any ideas?
kyteryder
kyteryder
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25 Nov 2011 12:50pm
There are 2 ways to achieve this.

1. Work twice as hard before the sick day, and get the work done.
2. Work twice as hard the day after you come back.

The only drawback is the will be no more coin in your pocket for the extra effort though.

In all seriousness depending on the contract in place. An incentive based system where you work for a project and provide a lump sum payment, or get rewarded for finishing a job earlier provides an incentive for you to complete the same work in less time. This may give you the opportunity to take sick days, or provide an opportunity to take on an additional contract.

There are plenty of benefits for contractual work. Having a sick day is not one of them.

KR[:)
cantswm4sht
cantswm4sht
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25 Nov 2011 12:58pm
There are various forms of wage insurance for subcontractors,
heres just 1

www.traderisk.com.au/subcontractors-insurance
BulldogPup
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25 Nov 2011 10:03am
oceanfire said...

Does anyone know how to take a sick day off from work and get paid for it if you're a contractor, similar to if you were employed with full timer benefits?

Obviously I know that being a contractor, holiday pay and sick leave entitlements are built into your rate, but I was thinking there may be some sort of insurance you could take out if you are sick for a day or two (legitimately of course) and can't get to work.

Does anyone have any ideas?



mate - probably not a good idea to advertise yourself wanting to take a "sickie" on the world wide you know what ..... even a doctor's note might not hold up because of it now - jmo

late edit - call employment standards govt.
Gorgo
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25 Nov 2011 1:09pm
kyteryder said...

There are 2 ways to achieve this.

1. Work twice as hard before the sick day, and get the work done.
2. Work twice as hard the day after you come back.

....


If you care so much about it what you do is work half as hard on the days before/after your sickie so you have compensated yourself for the lost income, or tack the odd hour on here and there on the time sheet.

Of course, if you do that on a regular basis you will not last long as a contractor and it will cost you much more than you have saved.

You can get income protection insurance but none of those will cover you for a day off here and there. The excess and inflated premiums would be more expensive than the lost wages for a day or two. It is meant to be when you can't work for an extended period and need to meet your unavoidable expenses (mortgage, kids, etc)

oceanfire
oceanfire
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25 Nov 2011 10:18am
Thanks for that guys, I was thinking of it from a legitimate perspective, recently moved in with the inlaws who aren't the most considerate of people when they are sick.
Not to mention the sick people who come into work coughing and spluttering all over everything and everyone when they should be home in bed.

If I get laid off with the flu for a day or two I'd like to know I'm not going to lose out too much in pay.

Seems like working a bit extra in the mean time to 'store the nuts for the winter' is the best way to go.


P.S.- redthumbs, seriously?
stamp
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25 Nov 2011 1:06pm
if you want sick leave then go full-time. you can't have your cake and eat it too
oceanfire
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25 Nov 2011 11:08am
stamp said...

if you want sick leave then go full-time. you can't have your cake and eat it too


Unless you're a patisserie chef.
Mobydisc
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25 Nov 2011 3:31pm
There is income protection insurance. However to get insurance that would cover a day off when you have a cold would be so prohibitably expense its not worth having.

Probably the best bet is to get insurance that covers for serious injury or illness such as cancer and just accept the loss of income if you are too sick for work.



stringer
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25 Nov 2011 12:39pm
move to greece
Mobydisc
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25 Nov 2011 4:05pm
stringer said...

move to greece


If you went back to 1984 and Greece, you could have obtained a truck licence and then retired. Apparently no new licences were issued after this time as the truck owners did not want competition and the government listened to them. They farmed their licences to drivers from Albania, Yugoslavia, and other poorer countries.

stringer
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25 Nov 2011 1:07pm
Mobydisc said...

stringer said...

move to greece


If you went back to 1984 and Greece, you could have obtained a truck licence and then retired. Apparently no new licences were issued after this time as the truck owners did not want competition and the government listened to them. They farmed their licences to drivers from Albania, Yugoslavia, and other poorer countries.




bit like gambling and liquor licenses over here in the west
evlPanda
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25 Nov 2011 8:17pm
You just have to look at your income as a contractor over the year, or five, not as a day-to-day thing. If you do you'll go mad.
gs12
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26 Nov 2011 1:07am
oceanfire said...

Does anyone know how to take a sick day off from work and get paid for it if you're a contractor, similar to if you were employed with full timer benefits?

Obviously I know that being a contractor, holiday pay and sick leave entitlements are built into your rate, but I was thinking there may be some sort of insurance you could take out if you are sick for a day or two (legitimately of course) and can't get to work.

Does anyone have any ideas?



You already answered your question - it'built in your day/hourly rate. Don't expect to get paid twice. If you want extra protection get a staff job (with all the good and bad that goes with it) or get yourself income protection insurance
Sailhack
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26 Nov 2011 9:28am
oceanfire said...



Seems like working a bit extra in the mean time to 'store the nuts for the winter' is the best way to go.



I thought that would be common knowledge? Also, as a 'contractor', I would assume that you would calculate some sick-leave into your hourly rate as an overhead cost. I worked out my hourly rate over a 12 month period based on the similar conditions as I would get on a fixed salary, and simply subtracted the amount of days that I wouldn't work per year (annual leave, sick leave etc.) add all other costs - (work clothing/laundry, accounting costs & time, personal super & insurances etc.) Divide your target salary by the workable hours left & viola...

Btw, not sure about your agreement with your 'employer', but generally speaking, a 'subby' can't work more than 6 months in any year for the one employer, otherwise it becomes an employment arrangement which triggers super, income tax, long service leave etc.
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