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24 Apr 2012 10:02pm
My current business partner is about to go through a messy divorce. He currently owns everything he has including 40 acres in a popular coastal town that has three houses on it which he collects a decent amount of rent from.

My question is... Is there anyway he can get around not having to give her half of everything he owns? We have been discussing putting the property in my name as an option? We will be going to see the solicitors on thursday so any help would be greatly appreciated!!
SandS
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24 Apr 2012 10:06pm
Because it's a " messy divorce " the solicitor you see will " clean up " .
chrispychru
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24 Apr 2012 10:09pm
SandS said...

Because it's a " messy divorce " the solicitor you see will " clean up " .


sadly that is true
62mac
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24 Apr 2012 8:14pm
ok said...
We have been discussing putting the property in my name as an option? We will be going to see the solicitors on thursday so any help would be greatly appreciated!!


Too late for that one mate.

Hope your business partners wife does not become your next business partner,good luck and open your eyes mate this could well effect your business as well.
Mobydisc
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24 Apr 2012 10:20pm
Is this for a mate or yourself?

If a caveat has been placed on the property its probably best to agree to place the property on the market and then divide the proceeds 50/50. If lawyers get involved then kiss goodbye to so much capital.

Just agree to split it down the middle. That way both parties will leave with more than what they would otherwise.

BulldogPup
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24 Apr 2012 8:23pm
Mobydisc said...

Is this for a mate or yourself?

If a caveat has been placed on the property its probably best to agree to place the property on the market and then divide the proceeds 50/50. If lawyers get involved then kiss goodbye to so much capital.

Just agree to split it down the middle. That way both parties will leave with more than what they would otherwise.




That's it in a nutshell - if there's kids under 18 well it won't be anywhere near 50/50 regardless , good luck OK
Ted the Kiwi
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24 Apr 2012 10:36pm
BulldogPup said...
if there's kids under 18 well it won't be anywhere near 50/50 regardless


More like 40 / 60 on a great day but probable worse.

Best of luck to him and as Mac says beware of how this may effect your business.
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24 Apr 2012 8:43pm
In my expeirience the guys that do nothing and just wait it out do the best. I've seen this done a few times (even by lawyers) and it has worked a treat, try to reconciliate etc and just wait it out till the kids get out of the way and in the mean time shift assets around and limit cash when there is no co-operation. Unless she is earning the bucks it seems to work, if she is a business partner/director could be harder but still works. If you refuse to fight the lawyers get bugger all!

Wish I knew this when it was my turn.......... Anyways, happy now
jsnfok
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24 Apr 2012 8:50pm
Sell it for cheap claim a loss put in Swiss bank account, hire jaen Claude van-dam and he can sort the problem out with diamonds :)
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24 Apr 2012 9:23pm
chrispychru said...

SandS said...

Because it's a " messy divorce " the solicitor you see will " clean up " .


sadly that is true


Thats it, end of story , save your money ,
lawyers always win
Stuthepirate
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25 Apr 2012 12:15am
Get him to sell everything to you for $1, then she can take half of whats left - 50c and jam it. Then, depending on how good a mate you are, you can sell it back to him for $1.50 (gotta make something out of it) and all is roses, or as Iron Maiden once said... "Run to the Hills"
FlySurfer
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25 Apr 2012 1:56am
ok said...

My current business partner is about to go through a messy divorce. He currently owns everything he has including 40 acres in a popular coastal town that has three houses on it which he collects a decent amount of rent from.

My question is... Is there anyway he can get around not having to give her half of everything he owns? We have been discussing putting the property in my name as an option? We will be going to see the solicitors on thursday so any help would be greatly appreciated!!


When my parents split long ago... my Mum put an injunction on everything my Dad had, he disappear for a while then told us kids what happened, and offered my Mum certain things.
I remember him saying, you take what I'm offering or the lawyers will get it.
My Mum said no, she wanted more, and she unfortunately ended up with nothing; it even cost my Mum's Mum quite a bit... considering they made me wear hand me downs, they sure had a lot to spend on lawyers on 3 continents.

My advice, talk it out, and avoid lawyers like AIDS.
pierrec45
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25 Apr 2012 9:32am
Problem is that it takes 2 to avoid lawyers. Takes only one to involve the turds.

Seen it often from workmates (and lost a few good ones along the way): missus consults a lawyer even if the bloke tries to settle around 50-50. Has to give in to all the threats, etc. Included in some cases renting the kids for holidays, that sort of stuff. Then she gets a new business card saying "retired divorcee".

All the best.
Sailhack
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25 Apr 2012 10:19am
ok said...

My current business partner is about to go through a messy divorce.

My question is... Is there anyway he can get around not having to give her half of everything he owns?


Flame-suit on-

Why should he avoid sharing with her? Has she only recently come onto the scene, or has she supported him whilst he's gained these assets? Hard to comment without knowing the full history.

He might be a pr!ck & she might deserve more than half! The fact that "he owns everything" and it's in his name, not hers may have been due to him being a dominating guy & wanting everything in 'his' name only, whilst his wife sat back & trusted her husband to make these decisions to support his family.

He may have shagged every hooker in the village & been a wife-basher to boot...too many variables!

On the other hand, he might be getting screwed over by a gold-digger.
Chilla
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25 Apr 2012 9:07am
Sailhack said...

ok said...

My current business partner is about to go through a messy divorce.

My question is... Is there anyway he can get around not having to give her half of everything he owns?


Flame-suit on-

Why should he avoid sharing with her? Has she only recently come onto the scene, or has she supported him whilst he's gained these assets? Hard to comment without knowing the full history.

He might be a pr!ck & she might deserve more than half! The fact that "he owns everything" and it's in his name, not hers may have been due to him being a dominating guy & wanting everything in 'his' name only, whilst his wife sat back & trusted her husband to make these decisions to support his family.

He may have shagged every hooker in the village & been a wife-basher to boot...too many variables!

On the other hand, he might be getting screwed over by a gold-digger.


Nice to see someone put a bit of an even view onto it instead of the usual 'poor old guy got ripped off, missus did him for everything she could, it was so unfair...', sure it probably sometimes does happen, but some guys behave like asses, threatening, domineering...

We're a democracy, if they can't sort it amicably they should lay all their assets and financials and circumstances before the courts and let the system that we, the majority, voted in sort it for them....
micksmith
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25 Apr 2012 1:07pm
Sailhack said...

ok said...

My current business partner is about to go through a messy divorce.

My question is... Is there anyway he can get around not having to give her half of everything he owns?


Flame-suit on-

Why should he avoid sharing with her? Has she only recently come onto the scene, or has she supported him whilst he's gained these assets? Hard to comment without knowing the full history.

He might be a pr!ck & she might deserve more than half! The fact that "he owns everything" and it's in his name, not hers may have been due to him being a dominating guy & wanting everything in 'his' name only, whilst his wife sat back & trusted her husband to make these decisions to support his family.

He may have shagged every hooker in the village & been a wife-basher to boot...too many variables!

On the other hand, he might be getting screwed over by a gold-digger.


couldn't have put it better
laurie
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25 Apr 2012 1:42pm

Dialogue from recent movie...


"Why does it have to end this way?"

..

"If it wasn't this way, it wouldn't be ending..."
GypsyDrifter
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25 Apr 2012 1:36pm
micksmith said...

Sailhack said...

Flame-suit on-

Why should he avoid sharing with her? Has she only recently come onto the scene, or has she supported him whilst he's gained these assets? Hard to comment without knowing the full history.

He might be a pr!ck & she might deserve more than half! The fact that "he owns everything" and it's in his name, not hers may have been due to him being a dominating guy & wanting everything in 'his' name only, whilst his wife sat back & trusted her husband to make these decisions to support his family.

He may have shagged every hooker in the village & been a wife-basher to boot...too many variables!

On the other hand, he might be getting screwed over by a gold-digger.


couldn't have put it better


+1 ..... Hard to comment without knowing the full history.
Gizmo
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25 Apr 2012 3:39pm
Sailhack said...
On the other hand, he might be getting screwed over by a gold-digger.


My ex was more than a gold digger she had a mining permit!!!! ... or it seemed that way.
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25 Apr 2012 10:49pm
Sailhack said...

ok said...

My current business partner is about to go through a messy divorce.

My question is... Is there anyway he can get around not having to give her half of everything he owns?


Flame-suit on-

Why should he avoid sharing with her? Has she only recently come onto the scene, or has she supported him whilst he's gained these assets? Hard to comment without knowing the full history.

He might be a pr!ck & she might deserve more than half! The fact that "he owns everything" and it's in his name, not hers may have been due to him being a dominating guy & wanting everything in 'his' name only, whilst his wife sat back & trusted her husband to make these decisions to support his family.

He may have shagged every hooker in the village & been a wife-basher to boot...too many variables!

On the other hand, he might be getting screwed over by a gold-digger.


The current situation is his wife collects rent from one of the two houses on the property then collects the rent from six horses on the property. There are no children involved in the situation apart from her daughter from a previous marraige who is 21 and expects to live rent free. My business partner currently pays for everything and doesnt get treated well. (two glasses thrown at his head just last week because he asked if the step daughter could contribute to the costs of living). He is not a dominating hooker slaying husband.

Thanks for your input i guess the solicitors will be the only winners out of this.
Skid
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25 Apr 2012 11:40pm
Ok, transfering assets into your name will almost certainly not work as he intends.
The combined assets will be considered, this includes her assets also.
If possible, seek mediation, agree on settlement and then seek 'order by consent' from court (this is where parties agree out of court, then the court reviews the agreement, if the court is happy it is fair it creates a court order to that effect).
Consider seeking mediation ASAP, even it there is no chance she will co-operate. She cannot drag it into court unless mediation has been attempted first.
Don't be surprised if legal advice is to evict daughter ASAP.

Been through my own version of this. Calmy explained to the ex, "whatever our disagreements (on exact share of $) might be, they will be small compared to what the lawyers will take out of the equation".
Managed to get agreement on asset split (had to let a few things slide that pissed me off), then paid a lawyer $2k to write it up and submit it to the court (this can be done without a lawyer).
An alternative strategy may be to evict daughter, stop rent $ going to ex and delay by whatever legal means possible. If he takes this path, he will understand the saying, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned".
Good luck, PM me if the above not clear
myusernam
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26 Apr 2012 8:27am
you mean a hitman?
FormulaNova
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26 Apr 2012 8:04am
Stuthepirate said...

Get him to sell everything to you for $1, then she can take half of whats left - 50c and jam it. Then, depending on how good a mate you are, you can sell it back to him for $1.50 (gotta make something out of it) and all is roses, or as Iron Maiden once said... "Run to the Hills"


I know you are joking, but I think there have been cases where people have tried to hide or transfer assets like this and the courts have reversed it.

pierrec45
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26 Apr 2012 10:04am
Skid said...

She cannot drag it into court unless mediation has been attempted first.

Calmy explained to the ex, "whatever our disagreements (on exact share of $) might be, they will be small compared to what the lawyers will take out of the equation".

Mediation is a placebo. I hear very few people actually walk in adversarial and resolve all issues coming out. Often one side or the other just go through the motions, so they can follow the lawyer's advice and go to court.

Amazing part is that when you're in a job where you manage large projets with many 10s or a 100 people, you have to take into account the probability of losing people due to these events. It now falls in the act-of-God category for project planning...
hamburglar
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26 Apr 2012 10:44am
start shagging your business partner's "ex" misses to hold on
to the other half of assets,you may end up with more of the
buisness than you already own



e0422713
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26 Apr 2012 9:33am
list the value of the assets now

list the value of your assests after divorce



i say you be lucky at 33.3% of original


wodgina6722
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26 Apr 2012 10:58am
e0422713 said...

list the value of the assets now

list the value of your assests after divorce



i say you be lucky at 33.3% of original





If he didn't got married and lived in sin would the guy be screwed so bad?



wodgina6722
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26 Apr 2012 11:02am
How long can you drag a case out for...anyone know? this would give time to at least shift some bits and pieces around.

I bet she has already worked out what she can get, probably has a few divorcee 'sisters' giving her advice.
James
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26 Apr 2012 4:15pm
I remember a story on ACA or TT a few years ago, where a woman fought it out so hard, she ended up owing her lawyer money out of her own pocket. I think we (the viewers) were supposed to feel sorry for her. That's karma at it's best , J
whippingboy
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26 Apr 2012 4:28pm
Glad to hear there's no kids involved.

All he'll lose is money.

Someone in a similar situation owned a thriving business, ex wanted half what she reckoned (actually her lawyers) the business was worth. Guy shuts the business the next day (loosing goodwill etc etc.) and says to his ex "What is half of nothing ?"

Good luck with it.
pierrec45
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27 Apr 2012 6:58am
whippingboy said...
All he'll lose is money.

Yep. As they say, if you lend someone 5$...

some other guy said...

where a woman fought it out so hard, she ended up owing her lawyer money out of her own pocket.

Yep, I have seen a couple of those too, including one where a fairly well-off couple coming out of the ordeal rather destitute... I wonder where the money all went...
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