I now only spit chewing gum out the car window.
I'm doing my part

i am trying not to fart as much...

but a swim to the shops sounds kinda appealing..

but to answer your question.... no, i don't care.

when a bought and paid for oil-man and his entourage conglomerate media (which also happens to be oil owned), tries to sell us a solution to a problem he and they sold us in the first place well, you know something is rotten in denmark ( pun intended )

are we responsible for the rest of the currently monitored solar systems seemingly exponential raise in temperature..?

what about the suns current raise in radiation during a period of supposed solar minimum...?

for me...,

climate change is very real

global warming, as its been sold to us, is a very different story..

what we are responsible for, is the greatest extinction of diversity of life on this planet probably in its entire billions upon billions of years. so much so that, when this change does happen, as its' happened before (documented) and will again (prophesied), there will be that much less of it to have a chance of starting again and that much less diversity next time around.

Doctor

2 reasons why Newtons law of gravity was so contentious at the time was because you couldn't see it (telescopes were too crap to pick up small deviations) and it confronted societies conception of mankind - that we were the centre of the universe.

The earths not flat buddy, its probably best to listen to those in the know because you in your infinite wisdom probably don't have all that good access to the sort of thingamajigees needed to prove them wrong. You've got a right to not give a s#@t, but theres really no need to reject it on scientific grounds. Watchin some doco from a dude ranting about sunspotsor some such stuff doesn't do anything to reject that carbon dioxide in the atmosphere traps heat...

On ya decrepit

Durks said...

Doctor

2 reasons why Newtons law of gravity was so contentious at the time was because you couldn't see it (telescopes were too crap to pick up small deviations) and it confronted societies conception of mankind - that we were the centre of the universe.

Are you talking about Newton, Gallileo or Copernicus?

Hey Durks,

First of all, please prove global warming to me? Seeing as though we don't have temp data for more than 100 years that is reliable.....I'm sure your 100% verifiable proof will be an interesting read.

Secondly, please prove that any variation seen is not natural cycling of atmospheric temps?




Oh and geez, why not... show me how it is more important than any one of the many natural phenomena, or even lack of oil, that may cause our demise in the next 200 years or so?

Just playing devil's advocate here....

Yes global warming is real. No one denies it despite what you say Durks. If we didn't have any form of atmosphere, all of the sun's radiation hitting the earth would bounce right back into space, just like on the moon and the temperature would be about minus 180 degrees or something like that.

Whats your point? Few people would not care about the environment. People care about their needs and their wants. There are certain needs that people must have to survive. Above that there are wants that make life easier. There are very few people throughout the world who would not appreciate having electricity going into their home, fresh water on tap and having a reliable car to get around in.

Global warming is now an industry. We used to get communists and socialists who wanted to take over all the industry in the world. Now we get greenhouse people who want to destroy industry in the world. Its human nature to believe we are living in the most important time in earth history. That is not true.

Human induced global warming is a theory. There is evidence to suggest its happening. However I personally don't like the idea of people losing their jobs and having to pay heaps of taxes because of a theory. Last time that happened we got communism in the USSR and China. Communism is a theory too, apparently a scientific theory at that. So all those people got shot, starved, robbed and killed because of a theory.

All the current ideas sound like taxing the average joe for driving to work and using his fridge and transferring money out of his pocket to stick in the hands of wheelers, dealers and the government.

For the record, we moved a place close to my work and a train station. I walk to work and my wife walks to the train station and catches a train to work. So we rarely use our car. I rarely buy new things but unfortunately am a sucker for gadgets.

All the big talkers on global warming drive round in big luxury 4WDs, take trips across the world all the time and consume all the time.

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Beware the Aardvarks

the ill tempered ones you mean.

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You are not making a difference. This is not my attitude, I am stating a fact.

Ah, its all a big conspiracy. Just like the titanic and 9/11, dam hippies trying to take away coal power stations 'rights'. Yup.

Funny how subjective science can be when it directly affects you.

Anyway this post is not meant to be a discussion on whether global warming is real or not, I'm not interested in trying to convert the masses. That's a never-ending roundabout that's not going to go anywhere for people with already entrenched positions. I'm interested in the reactions of the majority of the population that does thing its real.

This is awesome, rational argument that constructs a reason for action


And in the grand scheme of things, as an Aussie, a person from a country rather than a country, we're a damn site dirtier than any other people on the planet. Number 1 polluters per capita, 50% of man-made crap from Electricity. It would make a greater impact if an average Australian took action than any other average individual on the planet.

I'm stuck between giving a s#@t and not giving a s#@t, on one hand I try and consume as little and waste as little as I possibly can which is good for the environment and my pocket. On the other hand I took my family over seas for no other practicle reason than to relax, surf and have a nice time, add to this the petro chem surfboards, sailboards, burning fossils fuel for entertainment, consuming unneccessary products that require high energy use to maufacture - anything with glass, plastic, imported foods and the list goes on and on.

clearly I'm only paying lip service and as I see it so is everyone else.

Durks said...
It would make a greater impact if an average Australian took action than any other average individual on the planet.

It would make a greater impact if an average Australian ^Industry took action than any other average individual on the planet.

OK, OK. Look for one I'd like to see PACKAGING changed. WTF is with packaging these days? I buy ...well anything and it takes 2 hours and a chainsaw to get through all the plastic.

Did I ever mention how much I LOATHE SUVs??

Well, wifey made me buy the cashed-up-sister-in-law's bloody Forester!!

OK it has very low kms, was a real bargain and it is a 2ltr 4cyl, not a full-blown V8 petrol guzzling monster.. still I feel dirty and ashamed.

Yes - seriously.

Sigh... life is full of corrupting compromises. I will have to try not to fart for a few weeks to compensate for losing my little hatchback.

getfunky said...

Did I ever mention how much I LOATHE SUVs??

Well, wifey made me buy the cashed-up-sister-in-law's bloody Forester!!

OK it has very low kms, was a real bargain and it is a 2ltr 4cyl, not a full-blown V8 petrol guzzling monster.. still I feel dirty and ashamed.

Yes - seriously.

Sigh... life is full of corrupting compromises. I will have to try not to fart for a few weeks to compensate for losing my little hatchback.

I don't think you would call the forrester an SUV under any usual classification, the average Camry would leave a bigger footprint.

i think everyone should drive a v8, the quicker we deplete the worlds oil the faster we will reduce our emissions.


even if we drove all around in 1.2 ltre cars the fact is it wouldn't be until fuel becomes too expensive by being too scare that emissions will be reduced because we will require a different energy source.

we need industrial change not conservation of fossil energy that just continues to add more co2 but over a longer time frame... if self righteousness was an energy source some of the posters here could run there own cars.