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busterwa
busterwa
3782 posts
3782 posts
16 May 2009 2:55pm
My heap of **** ford
under 100000kms
new radiator
new power stearing pump
new powerstearing hoses custom made from enzed cause non standard thread
new timing cover.
new gearbox sincros
new airflow sencor
Locks have broken 6 times
new radio ariel
new radiator hoses
Constant leaks oil and various
cost +9000$

My holden 164000kms
new bush in front suspension
2 lightglobes.
oil leak
430$

Best part about a ford is selling the problem to someone else.
I will never ever in my lifetime purchace a ford as long as i live.
Thankyou ford for a lifetime of mysery
You cars are junk.
555
555
892 posts
555 555
892 posts
16 May 2009 4:52pm
Fix Or Repair Daily.

Never owned one. Don't intend to.
cranky
cranky
440 posts
440 posts
16 May 2009 5:40pm
busterwa said...

My heap of **** ford

Thankyou ford for a lifetime of mysery
You cars are junk.


Oh dear, it's never been a secret, how did you not know?
manicskier
manicskier
VIC
772 posts
VIC, 772 posts
16 May 2009 8:24pm
Found On Rubbish Dumps
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23684 posts
WA, 23684 posts
16 May 2009 7:20pm
Rubbish dudes.. We have Commodores and Falcons at work. A new Commode has had virtually a full re-wire front to back, a gearbox and 2 diffs in 30,000km and it IS driven easy.

Commodore trim falls out and comes loose.

The last two we had would sound the reversing sensor alarm constantly every time it was in reverse ...... when there is no object behind you it just goes beeeeeeeeeeeepppp.

The glovebox on the last one rattled enough to lock itself all the time. About every 500km.

The Foulcan is not much better.

Buy a Subaru the parts are expensive but you never have to buy any!
firiebob
firiebob
WA
3182 posts
WA, 3182 posts
16 May 2009 8:03pm
If you can't afford a Dodge, dodge a Ford, that's what my old man used to say anyway
jackgearo
jackgearo
NSW
331 posts
NSW, 331 posts
17 May 2009 10:22am
holden and fords are s**t..........get a toyota
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23684 posts
WA, 23684 posts
17 May 2009 2:10pm
I got a thumbs down for driving 10 different commodores in as many years and they all broke down a lot (fact). Some people are weird

Heaps
Of
Loud
Diff and
Engine
Noises
choco
choco
SA
4186 posts
SA, 4186 posts
17 May 2009 4:03pm
don't buy a car built on a monday or friday whatever the model,you know how you feel at work on these days so you can imagine the quality of workmanship.
SmellySkater
SmellySkater
110 posts
110 posts
17 May 2009 4:51pm
I agree Ford's and Holden's are both junk.

Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
17 May 2009 9:33pm
When it comes down to it all cars are junk. They are built to last 20 years at the most then fall apart. Its usually not worth the effort or cost keeping cars going that are much older than this.

However if I was buying a new large car I'd rather support companies building junk made here than junk made overseas.

What sort of Ford and Holden are we talking about anyway? The Aussie Falcon and Commodore or a Korean Holden and a German Ford?



Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
17 May 2009 8:07pm
Mobydisc said...

The Aussie Falcon...

Whats Aussie about Falcons?
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
17 May 2009 8:09pm
Whats aussie about cars?
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
18 May 2009 11:59am
I was raised in a Ford family through and through.

My old man is/was a mechanic and he swore by them. My 1st car was a Ford and I was lucky enough to inherit our XY Falcon 500 for a year or so. Stupidly i convinced my wifey to buy a Lazer when we 1st met.. That was when i started to realise just how cr@p Fjords really are. Cost us heaps of dosh to keep repairing bad design and manufacturing!! Ha ha - wifey still mentions that car now and then.

I reckon Ford have not made an up to scratch car since the XC series Foolcans, and everything (yes every model small/medium/large) since has been about a decade behind the competitors (both locally and international). They are very badly engineered, designed and cheap n nastily made. Total heaps of shizen. The fixed or repaired daily is not just convenient wordplay, it is true!

Even my stubborn old Dad eventually gave up on his 98 (ish) Foolcan after 2 or 3 new alloy head replacements plus heaps of other cheap and nasty problems. He now drives a Toyota with a big grin on his mush.. Same goes for my father-in-law too - always drove Fjords and now tres happy with a Toyota. Not spending $$$ to repair every other month does tend to make for a happy driver.


Wrong. Not all cars are junk. Have had our 98 Pulsar since new (traded the cr@ppy Lazer on it ) and it has been a marvel. Other than batteries, servicing and tyres, I just replaced both CVs (well they were 11 yrs old - so that is sweet) and that has been all it has ever required. Love that car. Have to sell it soon (cause of previously mentioned Forester aquisition) but have been stalling (bad pun) cause I know you don't get lucky like that with every car.

EDIT: Er.. if anyone is looking for an excellent, super reliable and economical 98 Pulsar hatchy with brand new CVs and tyres drop me a PM. Ha ha - as I know from experience, it fits a 136 board perfectly accross the back and with the hatch cover on you would never suspect that kiting gear is within - so no break-ins ever!!
KFKiter
KFKiter
SA
213 posts
SA, 213 posts
18 May 2009 2:04pm
Love my Fords,Never had any problems with the numerous I have owned.
Will be trading in my BA Futura soon. It has only ever gone to the dealer for servicing. I've been driving it for 4 years. Great car.
Would never drive anything made in Elizabeth![}:)]

First On Race Day.

Mark this is too true!

Heaps
Of
Loud
Diff and
Engine
Noises

Funny how I know a few people that work at H@#$%& and they wouldn't drive them either.
au_rick
au_rick
WA
752 posts
WA, 752 posts
18 May 2009 3:06pm
getfunky said...

I was raised in a Ford family through and through.

My old man is/was a mechanic and he swore by them. My 1st car was a Ford and I was lucky enough to inherit our XY Falcon 500 for a year or so. Stupidly i convinced my wifey to buy a Lazer when we 1st met.. That was when i started to realise just how cr@p Fjords really are. Cost us heaps of dosh to keep repairing bad design and manufacturing!! Ha ha - wifey still mentions that car now and then.

I reckon Ford have not made an up to scratch car since the XC series Foolcans, and everything (yes every model small/medium/large) since has been about a decade behind the competitors (both locally and international). They are very badly engineered, designed and cheap n nastily made. Total heaps of shizen. The fixed or repaired daily is not just convenient wordplay, it is true!

Even my stubborn old eventually Dad gave up on his 98 (ish) Foolcan after 2 or 3 new alloy head replacements and heaps of aother cheap and nasty problems. He now drives a Toyota with a big grin on his mush.. Same goes for my father-in-law too - always drove Fjords and now tres happy with a Toyota. Not spending $$$ to repair every other month does tend to make for a happy driver.


Not all cars are junk. Have had our 98 Pulsar since new (traded the cr@p[py Lazer on it ) and it has been a marvel. Other than batteries, servicing and tyres, I just replaced both CVs (well they were 11 yrs old - so that is sweet) and that has been all it has ever required. Love that car. Have to sell it soon (cause of previously mentioned Forester aquisition) but have been stalling (bad pun) cause I know you don't get lucky like that with every car.

EDIT: Er.. if anyone is looking for an excellent, super reliable and economical 98 Pulsar hatchy with brand new CVs and tyres drop me a PM. Ha ha - as I know from experience it fits a 136 board perfectly accross the back and with the hatch cover on you would never suspect that kiting gear is within - so no break-ins ever!!



heh heh,

hard to go wrong with a subaru :)

getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
18 May 2009 4:55pm
So far so good with the superoo. Hate it's super light steering and it's a bit boat-like compared to my little Pulsar go-kart feel. Nice grunty engines in them thar superoos though.. bet the more race tuned versions are sweet. How cool is cruise control!!!

As I said I didn't really want another car but kids are gettin bigger etc etc..

The upside (sorta) of the Superoo is it only has a cassette - so have been revisiting tape compiles from waaaayyyy back. Some good old faves on rotation. My kids now know the RHCP Blood Suger Sex Magic albulm pretty well. Gividdawaygividdawaygividdawaygividdawaynow!

Ha ha - was funny seeing a couple of blokes (and me) crammed into the Pulsar with our gear after a downwinder a few months back.. would have been cushier if I didn't forget to take out the kiddies seats.

Er.. BTW - why the red thumbs? Due to my gratuitous car pimping or is it Foolcan Ford owners still ignoring the facts? Don't sweat fellas, the price of steel will get back up eventually and then the scrap prices will be attractive again.
KiteDevil
KiteDevil
TAS
778 posts
TAS, 778 posts
18 May 2009 7:16pm
the trick with a falcon is to find one someone has spent a fortune on nursing it to 150K. I got one for $1800, it had $5300 receipts in the glovebox! (all done a Ford dealer)

Went to Ford Forums and the helpful lot there are so incredibly quick to diagnose and help fix problems its not funny, it's like a conduit into the minds of the Bogan Elite... New thermo fans, no more overheating, $167. New brake light switch $10, new fan switch in the glove box, $8, at Ford the fan switch can cost up to $220 to fit!! B/S

Just get to know your car, get a manual and ask the PC enabled!!

I'm amazed when I get in a cab in Melbourne and they've got like 780,000 km on the clock.

$2000 transportation... $10000 kite equipment cargo, priorities, priorities...

Sorry for your pain Busterwa, sounds like a christmas eve job that one...

king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
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18 May 2009 6:14pm




busterwa
busterwa
3782 posts
3782 posts
18 May 2009 6:24pm
I dont understand why it keeps on breaking down?


FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15105 posts
WA, 15105 posts
18 May 2009 6:57pm
KiteDevil said...

the trick with a falcon is to find one someone has spent a fortune on nursing it to 150K. I got one for $1800, it had $5300 receipts in the glovebox! (all done a Ford dealer)

Went to Ford Forums and the helpful lot there are so incredibly quick to diagnose and help fix problems its not funny, it's like a conduit into the minds of the Bogan Elite... New thermo fans, no more overheating, $167. New brake light switch $10, new fan switch in the glove box, $8, at Ford the fan switch can cost up to $220 to fit!! B/S

Just get to know your car, get a manual and ask the PC enabled!!



I must be one of the 'PC enabled'

I have a commodore and a falcon and my own experience is that the mechanics that work on the car can make the difference between a good and a bad car. I do most of my own work, but for the stuff I can't do I have found a decent mechanic that knows his stuff. A decent mechanic can find a problem quickly and have to rely on their own reputation to get repeat work.

I made the mistake of taking a commodore I owned in the past to a Holden dealer and after seeing their poor quality workmanship never took it back. The few times I got it serviced there I can see why some repairs cost a fortune. These guys were padding out their bills just on a service, so I suspect their repairs were done the same way.

I used to own a VN commodore which at the time had a reputation for one of the worst cars around. I replaced the thermostat and the disk rotors straight away and never had a problem after that. It was interesting to see that every brake place wanted to machine the disks and wouldn't tell you that you could buy replacement (better!) rotors for almost the same cost as they would charge to machine the old ones.

As an aside, I think machining disk rotors seems to be a bit of a scam for some places. I have never had a disk warp until after a place machined it against my wishes... Unless you have worn your pads down to the metal, you generally don't need to machine the disks.

I think some of the Japanese cars must have an advantage though in that they have a global market for a single model and I think this helps them iron out the bugs quicker.


Ian K
Ian K
WA
4169 posts
WA, 4169 posts
18 May 2009 8:48pm
Also a fan of the VN commodore. Got one with 270,000 km on it, went to 450,000 with only occasional repairs, just the minor inexpensive bits like fuel pump, welsh plugs, radiator . The trick is to get one that's been run in by the police force - they'll find and replace any components with manufacturing defects.
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
18 May 2009 9:32pm
You get good and bad in either brand Falcon and Holden.
Have been fortunate to have driven both as Company cars for many years.
Best Holden was 2001 commodore, ran well for the 180,000 that I had it. Even managed to get 120,000 k's out of the Dunlop tyres fitted from new. Country and City driving.
Now have the 2007 model falcon, only 90,000 k's out of these tyres. The Holden cruise I found had better control, the falcon cruise will let car overrun down hill, and even pulling back a cog it still has a slippery torque converter.
The Ford disc rotors are crap and need skimming about ever 25-30 thousand k's. Getting good tyre life indicates no sever braking
The only mechanical issue with the falcons is the "torque clunk" that develops about 70,000 k's onward. Ford have just realised its a main carrier bush in the rear axle system. All our ford fleet have same issue, some more pronounced than others.
Toyota have a great cruise set up and one of the better matched transmissions, no over run on cruise, just swap a cog back down and it wont get you any "flash your done" sernarios. And no, havent been booked for speed for years
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
19 May 2009 9:15am
The trick with Ford Falcons is to only buy XD, XE or XF models. The XE would have to be the pick of the bunch though.

This one was a 4 speed from which I took out the original rear end and fitted a rear from an XF Fairmont (2.77 ratio, LSD, disc brakes) and this combination made it a perfect hiway cruiser.



I drove this thing for 11 years before I sold it at Xmas because it was so reliable, cruisy and economical that I could not justify selling it until I had two other Fords (XE Fairmont and XF S-Pac both with working A/C units) and the wife's Corolla Seca. One of them had to go.

What a great little crate the Corolla is!! It is a '94 RV (1800cc, 85 kw) manual and it can go like a rocket. You can even camp in it with the rear seats folded down.

Good thing about these older Fords is that you can get a really good one for a couple of Gs, no finance needed and as proven by the taxis they are good for a million klms and more.

I sold this one for $900 with a RWC and one month rego. It was worth more money but the Korean backpacker came up with the money so I took it.
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
19 May 2009 12:23pm
Housebrick with wheels... There I said it.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15105 posts
WA, 15105 posts
19 May 2009 12:38pm
getfunky said...

Housebrick with wheels... There I said it.


Yeah, it's funny looking back now at the cars around then. At the time the EA falcon and the VN commodore were seen as having very bold styling and a lot of people weren't too fond of the new shapes.

Now the EA and the VN look positively boring, but that's the way styles go.

I like the look of the XE falcons and wouldn't mind one, but it's hard to go back when a modern wagon can be had for little money, has a lot better safety options and uses less fuel.

I think in NSW the requirement for annual rego inspections has seen a lot of these era cars been taken off the roads. It's only on trips to Qld and WA that you get to see them in their natural environment, quietly rusting away...
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
19 May 2009 3:41pm
My parents had XE and XF Falcons and the door handles always broke on them. Other than that they were pretty good cars. My parents' XE was a better car than the XF. The XF had power steering and the steering was so light on the highway.

Around that time I started buying my own cars, the awesome Valiants. I had three of them including a Charger.

Anyway of all the cars made in Australia today, if I was going to buy a new one it would be a Falcon or maybe a Territory coz the straight six is a great engine and they look heaps better than the Commodore or the Toyotas.



getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
19 May 2009 2:01pm
My old man still has his unplated XY in the shed. We did at least 10 trips accross the Nullaboor in that car.

The bench seat once saved my life - long story but no seat belt on and an incident that saw me ping-pong back and forth between the back seat and the front bench 2-3 times instead of head first through the windscreen! Lucky.

3-on-the-tree and a 250cc straight six is not great for economy but really nice to cruise though.

BTW no power stearing or even power assist on the drum brakes all-round! Holy christ! You end up with over-developed forearms from bracing on the steering wheel for leverage on the brake pedal. Not lightweight cars to pull up in a hurry either.



Hey Cisco - just havin a laff BTW, I always like it when peeps enjoy and look after their wheels and keep em chuggin (housebrick or not).
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4105 posts
QLD, 4105 posts
19 May 2009 4:21pm
getfunky said...

I just replaced both CVs (well they were 11 yrs old - so that is sweet) and that has been all it has ever required.


Jeez they made a noise going around corners though, I thought the wheels were falling off.
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
19 May 2009 2:43pm
Musta been excess baggage

Funny how you just get used to it after a while. They are brand spankers now and sooo nice to drive. Want to sell it less than ever now but have to like it or not.
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
20 May 2009 9:47pm
My Ford RTV ute of 4yrs drove me 6hrs roundtrip to and from Geelong every week for the last couple of years...needs new tyres soon, otherwise she's great!
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