Fresh orange juice made from concentrate

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The Grinch
The Grinch
WA
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WA, 733 posts
15 Jan 2008 11:42pm

Fresh orange juice made from concentrate
Is this possible?

I need support from fellow windsurfers in a family argument. My wife thinks its perfectly OK to advertise a product as FRESH when its made from concentrate so long as the words concentrate are present on the bottle (in itty titty letters). Have to stop typing now because im getting angry.

hills
hills
SA
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SA, 1622 posts
16 Jan 2008 1:15am
Here's a definition:

Noun 1. fresh food - food that is not preserved by canning or dehydration or freezing or smoking

The regulation defines the term "fresh" when it is used to suggest that a food is raw or unprocessed. In this context, "fresh" can be used only on a food that is raw, has never been frozen or heated, and contains no preservatives. (Irradiation at low levels is allowed.) "Fresh frozen," "frozen fresh," and "freshly frozen," can be used for foods that are quickly frozen while still fresh. Blanching (brief scalding before freezing to prevent nutrient breakdown) is allowed.
The Grinch
The Grinch
WA
733 posts
WA, 733 posts
15 Jan 2008 11:56pm

I see,

But what if the company's name ends in FRESH like..... Jim's Fresh Orange juice.

I.e. the company being called Jim's Fresh
hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
16 Jan 2008 1:49am
I don't know, I suspect he'd be open to false advertining as the "apostophie s" indicates Jim owns something that's fresh. Jim Fresh's Orange juice would be safer.

Then again I'm no lawyer
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
16 Jan 2008 7:50am
The only fresh orange juice is straight squeezed from an Orange.

The rest is manufactured crap.
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
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QLD, 7436 posts
16 Jan 2008 1:56pm
The Grinch said...


Fresh orange juice made from concentrate
Is this possible?


no.

Zed
Zed
WA
1274 posts
Zed Zed
WA, 1274 posts
16 Jan 2008 5:18pm
Dont think it's false advertising because although his company says fresh, he's not advertising Fresh orange juice.
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
16 Jan 2008 6:53pm
Concentrate is dehydrated. So from the definition above, no.
big-gazza
big-gazza
WA
101 posts
WA, 101 posts
16 Jan 2008 11:06pm
I think that the law as applied to advertising on the front label would look at what is reasonably implied by a person reading this label - if the impression given, is that "Jims' Fresh" - is in fact fresh orange juice, when it isnt - then the intent is obviously to deceive. If Jims surname is in fact Fresh - then I think then it would be in what context he has used his name in the branding - is it just his name on the label - or is it used to gain a commercial advantage or misrepresent its contents.
My thought is that it misrepresents its contents - being reconstituted; clearly isnt fresh by definition.
Zed
Zed
WA
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Zed Zed
WA, 1274 posts
17 Jan 2008 12:24pm
big-gazza said...

I think that the law as applied to advertising on the front label would look at what is reasonably implied by a person reading this label - if the impression given, is that "Jims' Fresh" - is in fact fresh orange juice, when it isnt - then the intent is obviously to deceive. If Jims surname is in fact Fresh - then I think then it would be in what context he has used his name in the branding - is it just his name on the label - or is it used to gain a commercial advantage or misrepresent its contents.
My thought is that it misrepresents its contents - being reconstituted; clearly isnt fresh by definition.



What if he has a company called "Jims Fresh" and he initially sells Fresh orange juice. Does that mean in the future if he were to sell concentrate juice he would have to change the company name? It's like that 'Fiji Spring Water' you can buy, it's bottled in Adelaide! I'm not sure where the law stands with this, but if I saw something that said Jims Fresh Orange juice, I would assume it would fresh. But then the law is an ass!
Revhead
Revhead
ACT
372 posts
ACT, 372 posts
17 Jan 2008 2:50pm
Reasonable person test would apply. Also, where's the apostrophy? It would be "Jim Fresh's orange juice", reads differently to "Jim Fresh Orange Juice", or "Jim's Fresh Orange Juice" (this would be wrong).

But wait,

What if it was freshly concentrated?
knot board
knot board
QLD
1241 posts
QLD, 1241 posts
17 Jan 2008 2:03pm
Perhaps it is Jim himself who is Fresh?
MikeyS
MikeyS
VIC
1509 posts
VIC, 1509 posts
23 Jan 2008 2:26pm
Grinchy, don't get angry, get even. Hopefully you have calmed down by now. Your question is in danger of leading to a protracted and boring legal dispute, so I have dignified it with a similarly boring response aimed at restoring family harmony.

Get your wife to have a look at:
http://www.accc.gov.au/content/item.phtml?itemId=771468&nodeId=303812cdfa698071341bf9f1ac983066&fn=Food+descriptors+guidelines.pdf

Particularly page 16. She's wrong wrong wrong. But tell her in the nicest possible way. Or get Graham Samuel to tell her.

(You can pay my bill in beer when I'm in WA next.)
MikeyS
MikeyS
VIC
1509 posts
VIC, 1509 posts
23 Jan 2008 2:30pm
And to quote Lionel Hutz, lawyer from an episode of the Simpsons
" This all goes back to the Frank Wallbanger case of '78. How about that! I looked something up! These books behind me don't just make the office look good, they're filled with useful legal tidbits just like that!"
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
23 Jan 2008 8:19pm
MikeyS said...

And to quote Lionel Hutz, lawyer from an episode of the Simpsons
" This all goes back to the Frank Wallbanger case of '78. How about that! I looked something up! These books behind me don't just make the office look good, they're filled with useful legal tidbits just like that!"


I was really tickled when I found out you could buy books with impressive spines by the metre, sort of like wall paper for poseurs.
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
23 Jan 2008 10:43pm
how does mcdonalds get away with calling their orange juice "juice" when it tastes like and looks like it's made from powder or at least something so far removed from an orange that it is unrecognisable if compared to fresh orange juice.
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