Helicopter crash!

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southace
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20 Jan 2013 6:45pm
Surprised to see the young camera man running for his life rather than helping the pilot from the wreckage! What would do have done if you where on the outside and pilot on the inside? I would have given him a hand at the least!
TheWolf
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20 Jan 2013 6:58pm
southace said...

Surprised to see the young camera man running for his life rather than helping the pilot from the wreckage!


First rule in a plane/helicopter crash. Get clear. That is standard practice, that is best practice and that is what is taught in helicopter crash training (which he completed 2 months prior). That is what I include in all my powered passenger flights. In the event the plane makes an unplanned landing, exit and get clear.
Since he was being taped, I bet if he violated the policy he would have got a stern talking to.
byf
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20 Jan 2013 4:33pm
I would like to believe i would jump up and try to pull the pilot to safety but i guess unless i was put in that situation for real then who knows? Maybe i would be getting the fark outta there too. Hard one.
southace
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20 Jan 2013 7:18pm
TheWolf said...
southace said...

Surprised to see the young camera man running for his life rather than helping the pilot from the wreckage!


First rule in a plane/helicopter crash. Get clear. That is standard practice, that is best practice and that is what is taught in helicopter crash training (which he completed 2 months prior). That is what I include in all my powered passenger flights. In the event the plane makes an unplanned landing, exit and get clear.
Since he was being taped, I bet if he violated the policy he would have got a stern talking to.


Interesting ! So that also includes if your both in the cockpit you don't help each other exit?
TheWolf
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20 Jan 2013 7:28pm
southace said...

Interesting ! So that also includes if your both in the cockpit you don't help each other exit?


There is no help to be done. Helicopters and most light aircraft are designed to be able to be climbed out of if rolled. It is simply a matter of door open, harness off, get out.
At best, if you reached your arm in to pull them out, you acheive nothing more than a meaningful gesture. At worst you will slow the exit down. The first few minutes after a crash are the most likely time for a fire to begin.

If someone was in immediate danger you would most likely try. The crash was pretty low impact and he was most likely working of adrenaline, so he just reverted to training
Jared888
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20 Jan 2013 4:59pm
Hmm... I am passengered to work on a HELO and have been for almost 13 years on variouse aircraft.

Training does, as is stated, brace for impact, when rotors stop exit and move in a controlled manner away from the aircraft.

I dont beleive he was controlling his movements, more fleeing for his life

As I am pretty close to my co-workers I travel with I would find it hard to explain to there families that I could not help, if it was the case I couldnt, I'd like to think I could

my 2 cents worth
landyacht
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20 Jan 2013 6:20pm
looked like a snake response, your eyes see the snake and tell your legs to move,then let your brain know whats going afterwards
Chris6791
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20 Jan 2013 6:23pm
The guy had just been in a helicopter crash, guaranteed he thought at some stage he was going to die, when an opportunity presented itself to escape that scenario he did. Without significant training otherwise, it came down to one of two basic instincts/reactions. Flight or fight. You can't second guess his reaction unless you were there in the helicopter with him and the pilot.

Everyone has 20/20 hindsight. I'd like to think I'd stick around and help the pilot but I couldn't and wouldn't guarantee it unless I was actually there.
deejay8204
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20 Jan 2013 8:53pm
Chris6791 said...
The guy had just been in a helicopter crash, guaranteed he thought at some stage he was going to die, when an opportunity presented itself to escape that scenario he did. Without significant training otherwise, it came down to one of two basic instincts/reactions. Flight or fight. You can't second guess his reaction unless you were there in the helicopter with him and the pilot.

Everyone has 20/20 hindsight. I'd like to think I'd stick around and help the pilot but I couldn't and wouldn't guarantee it unless I was actually there.


I agree, I would like to think I would help, but not everyone acts or reacts the same, some people go into instant panic some would even go into instant shock. I have been witness to a couple of bad vehicle accidents where both the above situations happened. one ran with panic the other into pretty bad shock.

You can never guess what someone will or will not do.
pweedas
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20 Jan 2013 7:08pm
AS most people here have said, you really don't know what you would do until it happens.
Sometimes you surprise yourself by doing miraculous things.
Sometimes you surprise yourself by not doing something very much less than miraculous.
It all depends on where your mind is at the time.
One thing is very much more common however, and that is, if the other person or people in the situation are people you love, children, family, dog? then your first reaction is usually to dive in and get them out, even in impossible situations.
I guess in this instance, all it means is, he wasn't madly in love with the pilot. That's understandable.
southace
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20 Jan 2013 10:31pm
It's good to read all your comments ....
it's lucky they both survived.
I was just surprised to see the camera man running from the scene and not checking first to see if the pilot needs assistance.
If the chopper caught on fire and the pilot perished how would the camera man be feeling now ....it might have been an incident where the pilot had both his arms broken or was pinned in the wreak.
Obviously due to training and industry standard and personal shock this wasn't the option.

In the marine industry the standard is that all crew and passengers are to be accounted for before abandoning ship.....(apart from Italy)!


Toph
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20 Jan 2013 10:15pm
TheWolf said...
southace said...

Interesting ! So that also includes if your both in the cockpit you don't help each other exit?


There is no help to be done. Helicopters and most light aircraft are designed to be able to be climbed out of if rolled.

What a big load of garbage. Takes hardly a buckle and most Cessna or Piper doors won't open. Certainly isn't a design feature. Better off kicking out the windscreen.


Wineman
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21 Jan 2013 12:07pm
^^^^^^
So much supposition here on a lots of maybe's, what if's etc


It was reported that the pilot set the extinguishers off (in turbine I think) before exiting.


Which means he probably told the cameraman to get the hell outa here, I'm right behind you.

Jared888
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21 Jan 2013 11:04am
pweedas said...
AS most people here have said, you really don't know what you would do until it happens.
Sometimes you surprise yourself by doing miraculous things.
Sometimes you surprise yourself by not doing something very much less than miraculous.
It all depends on where your mind is at the time.
One thing is very much more common however, and that is, if the other person or people in the situation are people you love, children, family, dog? then your first reaction is usually to dive in and get them out, even in impossible situations.
I guess in this instance, all it means is, he wasn't madly in love with the pilot. That's understandable.


well put I agree
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