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Kamikuza
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5 Nov 2013 4:01pm
Kitebeach is under attack... show a bit of solidarity and don't let the psycho win! Copied from KF...

Kiting, windsurfing, SUP'ing, outrigger paddling, kayaking, surfing and anything else that uses a "vessel" may soon be actively banned from launching or landing along a 3000 ft. section of Kanaha State Park (Kitebeach) also known as Ka???a Point in Maui. A vessel exclusion zone has been on the books for the last 25 years but has never been enforced, until perhaps now.



The area of the vessel exclusion zone which may soon be enforced.
actionkiteboarding.net/


Largely due to the lobbying efforts of one parent, perhaps others disturbed about kiting activities in the Pro Point/fish pond area, this may come to pass. Recall the one disaffected windsurfer who managed to get kiting banned for two years off the North Shore and skegged Flash Austin. In short, this is a real threat.

More background on the current threat at: mauinow.com/2013/05/10/swim-zones-to-be-enforced-at-kaa-point-over-safety-concerns/


This is serious and should be of concern to any waterperson who has or wants to visit Maui at sometime in the future. Use zones can be created and enforced, there is no need for a blanket prohibition. First you need to get government's attention to take things to the point of starting negotiations hence this petition.


For now there is a petition campaign to be submitted to the Hawaiian State DIVISION OF BOATING AND OCEAN RECREATION (DOBOR) organized by Ocean Safety Alliance, www.facebook.com/oceansafetyalliance

Titled: "State DOBOR Hawaii: Please protect ocean access at Kanaha Beach. Change the outdated rules to reflect the current use."

and is located at:

*** CLICK HERE TO SIGN PETITION ***

www.change.org/p/state-dobor-hawaii-please-protect-ocean-access-at-kanaha-beach-change-the-outdated-rules-to-reflect-the-current-use

It takes very little time to sign the petition, please help to keep this unique spot open to all these water interests now and into the future. Chris Levins of Adventure Sports Maui gave me a heads up on this, it is legitimate and a current threat to continued use of this area.


Thank you!

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bobajob
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6 Nov 2013 9:29pm
Cause it wouldn't be like some kiters weren't complete tossers. Own worst enemy come to mind. I witnessed on the weekend at Miami at the Goldie as the bws kite school tent went up, one of the hanger ons set up right amongst people on the beach and self launched 20? m upwind of a group sunbaking.

FFS, you might be the coolest dude on the beach but what's the point if you get it banned for all....
Kamikuza
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6 Nov 2013 11:00pm
Of course, some are tossers, but the issue isn't the tossers, it's the petty, small-minded bastard who's pushing for a ban which'll close the beach where tossers aren't the problem.

The tossers can be dealt with by the proper authorities for violating a rule - which isn't related to the beach in question! Imagine getting your beach closed to all sports except swimming, because at the next beach over some tossers are breaking rules that nobody - except one wanker with an axe to grind - cares about.

This all being driven by the exaggerated claims of a guy who says kiters are endangering kids - when it's him making his kid go out and play around all the kiters! The guy is a troll... he videotapes people then makes up stories about "confrontations" and "harassment", claims to have mountains of evidence of people being threatened or put in danger... but the following is as much as we've seen.

mauinow.com/2013/05/03/letter-kite-surfers-endanger-kids-at-kaa-point/

The funny thing is he's pushing for a law to be upheld which will mean, technically, his kid won't be able to boogieboard there either /rolleyes
Kamikuza
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7 Nov 2013 3:14pm
PS. the "tossers" you're talking about are folks like Jesse Richman, who rode through the pond (before it was sign-posted) and so upset the ass who's stirring all this up...
Mark _australia
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7 Nov 2013 1:55pm
Kamikuza said..
Imagine getting your beach closed to all sports except swimming, because at the next beach over some tossers are breaking rules that nobody - except one wanker with an axe to grind - cares about.



or because one particular sport came along........

If it is just one bloke stirring then I feel for them, but sounds like they are giving him plenty of ammo. Groundhog day - just like the talk of bans here
myusernam
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7 Nov 2013 4:22pm
kiters dont need to go inside the rocks. they can stay wide.
It is dangerous for kiters and swimmers. How many kiters have looped themselves into those rocks.
pweedas
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7 Nov 2013 3:46pm
From the first pic posted on this thread, there appears to be a lot of beach other than the fish pond.
Why do some kiters want to push the boundaries of tolerance by launching or beaching inside this very small pond?
Isn't it obvious to all that by simply avoiding this pond that the whole conflict would be avoided?

It's a bit similar on most metro beaches in Western Australia.
There are very small areas of beach set aside for swimming but for some reason kiters like to swoop in and do a big boost through the middle of the swimming area.
It doesn't actually bother me because I know I only need to dive 1 metre to get out of the way when things go wrong, as they sometimes do, but I often see the look of horror go over the faces of others as they look for a rapid escape path to safety.
Be aware, that unless you have done kitiing yourself, people have no idea whether their safety is threatened or not, so the usual reaction is to assume that it is, even when the kiter is a little downwind of them.

In the case of Ka'a Point fish pond, it's up to other kiters to give those who kite through the pond a 'heads up' on the consequences.
Once they stop, the problem will go away by itself, without any need for new rules and prohibitions.
Put up a sign in the car park, and arrange for one on the beach so when some dimwit carves through the pond you can point to the sign.
If the pond is empty then no problem, but if there is so much as one person in the pond the launch outside the pond area.

And no. I didn't sign the petition.
Do the right thing and you wont need one.
Kamikuza
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7 Nov 2013 5:50pm
They don't need to, no but as AFAIK since the original complaint, nobody uses that rock pool any more as a short cut back to the beach. So the asshole has shifted his attention to getting it banned at Pro Beach...

Judge for yourself - google "Philip Bolek Maui" to get his letters to MauiNews (and read the responses if you can stomach it) and here are his videos of kiters "harassing and threatening" people -
/videos

That's it - that's all he's got to back up his claims of dangerous kiter behavior

Keep in mind that the rock pool IS dedicated for swimmers, while Pro Beach is open to all - the guy is putting his kid into the water where people are kiting, rather than 50m to the left in the safety of the pool
kiteboy dave
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7 Nov 2013 9:24pm
First thoughts, whatever couldn't care less about their beach.

2nd thoughts, well it is a famous kitebeach, I don't think there's all much going for it (airport, sewerage plant round the corner, etc) except the big name locals and the quality of riders, particularly in the early days, but certainly a lot of history has happened there.

3rd thoughts, read your link, it is a real example of one toolbag doing his utmost to ruin things for a whole lot of kiters, who have a very limited choice of locations over there, not like here. For no good reason other than his own sense of entitlement. What a clown.
Kamikuza
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7 Nov 2013 11:05pm
There is ONE location on our lake here in Japan suitable for safe kiteboarding... and where do you think people come and park their kids for a swim? Right in the middle of our launching spot. Not 100m down the beach, not on any of the well-designed public holiday spots, or any other place in the 235km of coast line. Nope, right where we try to ride out from our 200m long beach

But this being Asia...

I would dearly love that twat from Maui to come over here, park his kid in the middle of the zone and then try and complain about it LOL

That's one good thing about this place - it's not a problem until it actually was a problem...
Mark _australia
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7 Nov 2013 10:18pm
Kamikuza said..
There is ONE location on our lake here in Japan suitable for safe kiteboarding... and where do you think people come and park their kids for a swim? Right in the middle of our launching spot. Not 100m down the beach, not on any of the well-designed public holiday spots, or any other place in the 235km of coast line. Nope, right where we try to ride out from our 200m long beach

But this being Asia...

I would dearly love that twat from Maui to come over here, park his kid in the middle of the zone and then try and complain about it LOL

That's one good thing about this place - it's not a problem until it actually was a problem...


OK
So I then launch my jetski in that area and act like a tool, and f^ck up your kiting session.
Do you feel the same?
I mean when I complain that you decided to kite in my ketski spot?



The point is when they come and swim there, just make your inside turn 50m from the beach not 2m. Then they will not complain.
ggh
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8 Nov 2013 10:05am
the maui news stated " The letter received much community support " by that I am assuming that the local community at large have had enough . It doesnt seem to me that its just one guy complaining , sure he got the ball rolling by doing something about it but that's it .

And secondly is it any of our business to wade into a local community issue of another country based on a news feed on seabreeze.

poor relative
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8 Nov 2013 10:18am
Mark _australia said..


I mean when I complain


You do this a lot
evlPanda
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8 Nov 2013 4:35pm
Does this mean we can get jet-skiing banned?
felixdcat
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8 Nov 2013 3:32pm
Jetski and kite, same mentality..... what is the point to be a hero 200 m offshore if noone sees you been a hero! Look at the dicks at Pelican point they come as close as possible from the beach and scream as loud as possible b4 they do a trick for every body to witness! jetwankers do that to us when we sail our yachts as well............ some time too close for comfort..... shame shot guns rust too close to sea water, but then again what about stainless steel shot guns?
Beaglebuddy
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8 Nov 2013 3:46pm
The issue is that the morons in the gov't don't understand the difference between kiting and windsurfing, they're just gonna ban em' all because they are such uninformed imbeciles they think they are the same thing.
Kamikuza
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8 Nov 2013 9:45pm
Mark _australia said..

OK
So I then launch my jetski in that area and act like a tool, and f^ck up your kiting session.
Do you feel the same?
I mean when I complain that you decided to kite in my ketski spot?



The point is when they come and swim there, just make your inside turn 50m from the beach not 2m. Then they will not complain.

You had me agreeing (depending on the law) until the last sentence.

If you look at his video and letters, he's complaining about launching and landing putting people "at risk" and kiters being unable to control their dangerous strings...

If you read the responses to the MauiNews letters, they're primarily from the OP and his wife with a few half-hearted agreements from people who probably don't even live on the island.

Historically, everyone got on well there with respect on both sides... it wasn't till this cock arrived that there was a stir-up.

Also keep in mind - NOBODY would be using this beach if the kiters hadn't cleared it of all the trash long along, then re-cleared it again recently...
Kamikuza
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8 Nov 2013 9:50pm
ggh said..
And secondly is it any of our business to wade into a local community issue of another country based on a news feed on seabreeze.

Yeah, you've convinced me - I'm ok Jack, so long as it doesn't affect me then it's their problem if they can't deal with it. Good luck to y'all in Oz too - any bans are obviously your own fault for being a bunch of ****-knuckles.
Mark _australia
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8 Nov 2013 10:12pm
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Kamikuza said..
Mark _australia said..



OK

So I then launch my jetski in that area and act like a tool, and f^ck up your kiting session.

Do you feel the same?

I mean when I complain that you decided to kite in my ketski spot?







The point is when they come and swim there, just make your inside turn 50m from the beach not 2m. Then they will not complain.


You had me agreeing (depending on the law) until the last sentence.

If you look at his video and letters, he's complaining about launching and landing putting people "at risk" and kiters being unable to control their dangerous strings...

If you read the responses to the MauiNews letters, they're primarily from the OP and his wife with a few half-hearted agreements from people who probably don't even live on the island.

Historically, everyone got on well there with respect on both sides... it wasn't till this cock arrived that there was a stir-up.

Also keep in mind - NOBODY would be using this beach if the kiters hadn't cleared it of all the trash long along, then re-cleared it again recently...


I was referring to your lake example where u kite
Kamikuza
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9 Nov 2013 2:11pm
Oh!

If there's a motto here, it's "Nothing is a problem until it becomes a problem". The cops got called once because jet skiers buzzed the beach, actually cutting through the middle of a group of YMCA camp kids swimming within a few meters of the shore!

There are laws regarding "powered boat" exclusion zones, but nobody really follows them because Asia. Complaining will get you nowhere, calling the cops will chase them off but really, the lake is freaking massive and to bother "our" beach requires jet ski dingleberries to ride through 2 windsurf "zones"...
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