House of horrors

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FlySurfer
FlySurfer
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28 Nov 2011 6:45pm
www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2013/08/29/house-of-horrors-part-2

...home prices are overvalued by about 25% or more in Australia, Belgium, Canada, France, New Zealand, Britain, the Netherlands, Spain and Sweden.

...Another concern is that Australia, Britain, Canada, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Spain and Sweden all have even higher household-debt burdens in relation to income than America did at the peak of its bubble. Overvalued prices and large debts leave households vulnerable to a rise in unemployment or higher mortgage rates. A credit crunch or recession could cause house prices to tumble in many more countries.
busterwa
busterwa
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28 Nov 2011 4:21pm
So where will you and your family live once the prices have dropped?
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
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28 Nov 2011 6:29pm
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GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
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28 Nov 2011 8:17pm
Yawn...

In some countries, such as Australia, Canada and Sweden, prices wobbled but then surged to new highs. As a result, many property markets are still looking uncomfortably overvalued.


Yes that's what happens when you only use two measures, both of which ignore the fact we live in a market economy. You know the whole supply and demand thing...

slainte
slainte
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28 Nov 2011 8:47pm
What a load of shiz. People dictate what a house is worth, doesn,t matter if you put a huge price on a house, if there's no one around with that money you ain,t going to sell it. When any market booms it is normally because there is a shortage. Real estate is no different. Banks won,t let the RE market fall to much as they don,t want a heap of repo's on there books. Look at the Irish and Yanks economies then look at there housing prices.
japie
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29 Nov 2011 7:09am
GalahOnTheBay said...
Yes that's what happens when you only use two measures, both of which ignore the fact we live in a market economy. You know the whole supply and demand thing...



I disagree with you there. We do not live in a market economy at all. We live in an economy manipulated by the government.

If we lived in a truly market based economy the whole scenario would be quite different. For starters there would be zero first home owners hand outs and secondly there would be zero tax benefits for owning two houses or more.

Take your local veggie market or Sunday market and think how different they would be if shoppers were given cash incentives to purchase goods which is basically what is happening in the housing market. False demand is created.

ALL of the screw ups in the economy occur because it is continuously tweaked by clowns who believe they know better than the market. If the too big to fails had been left to fail we may have had some short term angst but the whole world would be better off for it.
jev7337
jev7337
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29 Nov 2011 11:14am
There is not a shortage of houses per-se, there is a high demand due to a feeding frenzy. Investments into property with fairly high return and tax benefits for investment properties have been driving the prices up, and I hope this will continue. But 101 of economics tells a different story. The problem is that 30 years ago it took the average hard-working tradie about 6 years to pay off a house, today it's more like 25-30 years and over the next years that will result in slow growth.

Many will still see it as a good investment due to tax benefits but you'll find that more first home buyers will be opting to rent simply because they will never own the house anyway - and this trend has already started.

I am certainly hoping that my house will keep increasing but in reality I think we have seen the best years of or property boom. It doesn't look like the bubble will burst but double figure growthwill be far in-between while some areas will be struggling to have any growth at all.

I was recently talking about this to a mate of mine who is a professor of economics at a top Uni in Melbourne, so I'm not pulling it out of my a**
cantswm4sht
cantswm4sht
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29 Nov 2011 6:06pm
boring,
thought the theme was something like this




GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
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29 Nov 2011 8:26pm
japie said...

GalahOnTheBay said...
Yes that's what happens when you only use two measures, both of which ignore the fact we live in a market economy. You know the whole supply and demand thing...


I disagree with you there. We do not live in a market economy at all. We live in an economy manipulated by the government.


I didn't say it was a good market, and agree with you there are too many tweaks to the housing market to make it even vaguely efficient, but hey, it's still a market...
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