How not to get scammed in buy and sell (I did!)

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morganj
morganj
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3 posts
12 Dec 2009 12:23pm
So, I organised to buy some kites (a set of three 2007 Yarga's) from the buy and sell. Picked them up, paid cash, and rolled the kites out (but didn't inflate them).

As it turns out, they were both not as described (they're 2006's) and the bladders are riddled with holes. When I dropped the guy who sold them a line to discuss the problems, he basically said - "Take it up with your lawyer," - sadly.

So - a couple of lessons for anyone buying kites (and let me tell you, I should have known better!).

1. Inflate the damn things! Anyone who's in too much of a hurry isn't too trustworthy.

2. Get a receipt, even for a cash transaction!

3. Know how to identify what you're getting (a newb mistake, but still worth drilling home)

4. If something goes wrong, you want to contact the trader (politely) and let them know. If you can't get anywhere that way, follow up with the Office of Fair Trading in the state the deal took place (I'm in QLD, but this happened in NSW).

5. Keep immaculate records of everything that goes on.

6. I'm not going to name and shame the individual here - as tempting as that is.

Any other tips greatly appreciated!
busterwa
busterwa
3782 posts
3782 posts
12 Dec 2009 1:58pm
Thats the second instance you kiters really suck
Turn to windsurfing were a much better crew
In all honesty why would you buy cheap rubbish of the for sale section.
if its for sale obviously there a reason.
i put alot of trust into my gear.I have purchaced windsurfing equiptment cheap out of the quokka (trading site)you get what you pay for.
would you buy a pcket of used frangers and place your life in the hands of them.
certain things just shouldnt be bought second hand.

Insted of thinking you are getting a bargin save your money and to a shop where you can see the goods,uphold a reputation to the consumer.
i bought a second hand sail it lasted 3 months and i put the mast through the top took us an hour and a half to swim back.
now i refuse to purchace cheap goods and maintain that it is better to pay a little extra for quality.
i found out that long term insted of buying **** from the paper i went to places like secondwind where they guys told us how it was.These shop owner dont sell **** else they wouldnt have a client base.
tobes
tobes
NSW
1000 posts
NSW, 1000 posts
12 Dec 2009 5:36pm
An expensive lesson moganj, but cheaper than a trip to the hospital.

If you'd asked for advice in the forum, the first thing anyone would have said is GET LESSONS.

Your instructor could have given you advice about appropriate kites for a beginner.

Nobody would have recommended a Yarga, which is a grunty C kite.

Better luck next time, and GET LESSONS!
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
12 Dec 2009 3:13pm
I tink the latin phrase Caveat emptor applies here.
LOL
Buying second hand without inspecting and/or pumping up is a bit dull imo.
raggy
raggy
VIC
564 posts
VIC, 564 posts
12 Dec 2009 6:15pm
like the others said you get what you pay for mate do your homework or take someone who knows what there looking at i feel for you bro your out of pocket but
what you gonna do.... stay safe get lessons learn from your mistakes.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23711 posts
WA, 23711 posts
12 Dec 2009 3:17pm
I think you guys are a little harsh

The seller would have to be a mongrel to sell a beginner 3 kites and not tell him they are full of holes.

mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
12 Dec 2009 3:38pm
morganj said...

So, I organised to buy some kites (a set of three 2007 Yarga's) from the buy and sell. Picked them up, paid cash, and rolled the kites out (but didn't inflate them).

As it turns out, they were both not as described (they're 2006's) and the bladders are riddled with holes. When I dropped the guy who sold them a line to discuss the problems, he basically said - "Take it up with your lawyer," - sadly.

So - a couple of lessons for anyone buying kites (and let me tell you, I should have known better!).

1. Inflate the damn things! Anyone who's in too much of a hurry isn't too trustworthy.

2. Get a receipt, even for a cash transaction!

3. Know how to identify what you're getting (a newb mistake, but still worth drilling home)

4. If something goes wrong, you want to contact the trader (politely) and let them know. If you can't get anywhere that way, follow up with the Office of Fair Trading in the state the deal took place (I'm in QLD, but this happened in NSW).

5. Keep immaculate records of everything that goes on.

6. I'm not going to name and shame the individual here - as tempting as that is.

Any other tips greatly appreciated!


morganj, do you mean you purchased the items on seabreeze buy and sell?. Then email Laurie. Legally the person selling cant place on seabreeze, or any other web page, an add that is deceptive.
Laurie just went through this whole saga with another buyer and seller over the goods not arriving as promised. He sorted that mess out and rather quickly, so I would think he is capable of doing the same in your case. That is if you got them from seabreeze buy and sell.
The last thing Laurie, or any of us want is this web gets a bad wrap for dud items
Good point that busterwa made though, go windsurfing
oliver
oliver
3952 posts
3952 posts
12 Dec 2009 4:13pm
Mark _australia said...

I think you guys are a little harsh

The seller would have to be a mongrel to sell a beginner 3 kites and not tell him they are full of holes.




I think you are spot on Mark. morganj is not at fault. From reading the post the seller has brought down the majority of decent sellers on this forum, which only works in discrediting the buy/sell section of this forum.

I hope that the moderators take the same gusto in policing the political content on the forum as they do on the minority of shonky advertisers and investigate morganj's complaint further.
nick0
nick0
NSW
510 posts
NSW, 510 posts
12 Dec 2009 10:30pm
althou i will never be buying kiters gear but i would like to know who this fella was .. to stop it from hapening to other people ... i hope his kite gets shreaded to pieces by crows
pweedas
pweedas
WA
4642 posts
WA, 4642 posts
12 Dec 2009 8:04pm
Mark _australia said...



The seller would have to be a mongrel to sell a beginner 3 kites and not tell him they are full of holes.




I think it really does come down to just this doesn't it?
It's a bit sad in this day and age when that sort of thing is considered by the seller as just "good business" or a "lucky break" for him, that he managed to flog his rubbish off to some poor guy who didn't know enough about it, or was too trusting to believe anyone would do that sort of thing.
It indicates a lack of self respect as by doing this they would have to realise that their name will be mud to all who find out about it, but apparently to them, it doesn't matter. The money is more valuable.
It also indicates that he considers his financial wellbeing more important than anything else, including doing the right thing.
I think if the case is as reported, they should be booted off the forum so they don't catch any one else.
Besides that I have no interest in reading what they say on any other matter so it will be no great loss.

But note, I do include the proviso that the case is as reported.
airsail
airsail
QLD
1604 posts
QLD, 1604 posts
13 Dec 2009 8:36am
It gets worse, I contacted the guy saying I was interested (never got a reply) but also suggesting they were 05's not 06's or 07's (you can tell by the graphics). I was interested if they were 06's as these are the current Team edition yarga's and a great kite. As for the 05's, well???
Anyone out there got an 11 mtr 06 yarga?
j murray
j murray
SA
947 posts
SA, 947 posts
13 Dec 2009 10:17am
following this thread with interest, cant understand the holes in kites,

What are the holy kites biggest hole causers, Barracuda in the water,

Bindyi's, three corner jacks, punture weed on land. Or microbial attack

from storage of older and uncleaned gear by bacteria.
morganj
morganj
3 posts
3 posts
13 Dec 2009 8:33am
Just to clarify, have been grabbing lessons (still got done!) and yep, consider it an expensive lesson learned. I've now moved things on to the office of fair trading, but I'll also drop Laurie a line. Thanks for that.

I will say, on the flipside - I've had plenty of success with other buy and sells here - I've still come out ahead, in the end, which saved me enough cash to be able to afford lessons, as it happens!
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
13 Dec 2009 10:03am
Mongrel trick for sure.

There are some folks that are delusion about their 'like new' condition kites like a few i viewed some time ago that were shagged like The Canterbury Bulldogs had been thru em. This case of morgan's is pretty clearly a total tossbag taking advantage of a newby.

Kites are no diff to any other purchase morganj - sharing a common interest for a sport doesn't mean sharing a common sense of good will. Live n learn.

Buster i don't understand you laying the slippers into kiters in general, especially when a guy who has been ripped pretty calmly warns of his experience. Low act. Don't think you are making a very good case for polies being a better class of citizen ther mate. Quite the opposite. You are mistaken if you think all shops behave with integrity also. In hindsight some of the cr@p a shop, I went to as a newb, tried to pass off was laughable. Now that is not the general way but newbs are just easy picking for some in the retail sector too.

Pity for you morgan that they didn't work out. I basically learnt on and spent 3 yrs on 2005 Yargas. Very sweet kites. Keep at it and try to ignore some of the rabble (in all forums) on this site. The majority of SB folks are the genuine article. Be wary when there is no wind tho.
graceful
graceful
WA
773 posts
WA, 773 posts
13 Dec 2009 7:20pm
busterwa said...

Thats the second instance you kiters really suck
Turn to windsurfing were a much better crew
In all honesty why would you buy cheap rubbish of the for sale section.
if its for sale obviously there a reason.
i put alot of trust into my gear.I have purchaced windsurfing equiptment cheap out of the quokka (trading site)you get what you pay for.
would you buy a pcket of used frangers and place your life in the hands of them.
certain things just shouldnt be bought second hand.

Insted of thinking you are getting a bargin save your money and to a shop where you can see the goods,uphold a reputation to the consumer.
i bought a second hand sail it lasted 3 months and i put the mast through the top took us an hour and a half to swim back.
now i refuse to purchace cheap goods and maintain that it is better to pay a little extra for quality.
i found out that long term insted of buying **** from the paper i went to places like secondwind where they guys told us how it was.These shop owner dont sell **** else they wouldnt have a client base.


i havent bought a new kite in my 4 years of kiteing, all been quality gear from people upgradeing from buy and sell
firiebob
firiebob
WA
3182 posts
WA, 3182 posts
13 Dec 2009 7:58pm
morganj said...

So, I organised to buy some kites (a set of three 2007 Yarga's) from the buy and sell. Picked them up, paid cash, and rolled the kites out (but didn't inflate them).

As it turns out, they were both not as described (they're 2006's) and the bladders are riddled with holes. When I dropped the guy who sold them a line to discuss the problems, he basically said - "Take it up with your lawyer," - sadly.

So - a couple of lessons for anyone buying kites (and let me tell you, I should have known better!).

1. Inflate the damn things! Anyone who's in too much of a hurry isn't too trustworthy.

2. Get a receipt, even for a cash transaction!

3. Know how to identify what you're getting (a newb mistake, but still worth drilling home)

4. If something goes wrong, you want to contact the trader (politely) and let them know. If you can't get anywhere that way, follow up with the Office of Fair Trading in the state the deal took place (I'm in QLD, but this happened in NSW).

5. Keep immaculate records of everything that goes on.

6. I'm not going to name and shame the individual here - as tempting as that is.

Any other tips greatly appreciated!


Mate that's just crap, sorry to hear. You obversely realize you stuffed up and even though the seller is a dead s*** you didn't name & shame, I'm with Mark

Remember most Poledrivers & Teabaggers are top blokes, I hope you go on and enjoy your sport of choice
walshd
walshd
SA
601 posts
SA, 601 posts
14 Dec 2009 1:46pm
Spewin about the holes in the bladder, but you do realise that the 2006 Yarga is heaps better than the 07s. (still not the point tho)
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
14 Dec 2009 11:49am
2005 may be the best tho? Scuse the pun. Check out the latest all black team Yargas. They have the older true squared tips and look exactly like my 2005 - cept for the colour.

2007 were not popular as they tried to make them Cs/Hybrids/SLEs all in one, in a very dodgy marketing move.
king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
14 Dec 2009 3:03pm

The perceived perseption, verses ones expectation ,


But hey when it works out,,,, you perceive you got more for less


I KNEW there was a reason for a 5th line .........

i only hear good things about buy and sell


Cal (point taken (Monday fever )
Cal
Cal
QLD
1003 posts
Cal Cal
QLD, 1003 posts
14 Dec 2009 5:55pm
^^^^^^^^
Can anyone translate king of the points post??

Mate, is that avatar a photo you just took? wondering if the acid is seeping through your fingers and is now tripping out your camera! [}:)]

oh, and sorry to hear about the ripoff, some people...
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
14 Dec 2009 4:57pm
Cal said...

^^^^^^^^
Can anyone translate king of the points post??

Mate, is that avatar a photo you just took? wondering if the acid is seeping through your fingers and is now tripping out your camera! [}:)]

oh, and sorry to hear about the ripoff, some people...


You know Cal I was thinking the same thing, dont try and work it out it will burn your brain, mine is still hurting!!
laurie
laurie
NSW
3902 posts
NSW, 3902 posts
14 Dec 2009 8:01pm
It' always bad value when somebody has a complaint about a transaction (whether seabreeze, or any business) in the forums, rather than contacting us first, as it always ends up a bit of a mess.

Buyer bagged, seller bagged, buy & sell bagged. Not many winners there!

About the "integrity" of the buy & sell. To think that in three years, there have only been a couple of disputes is amazing. Literally, less than 3 disputes that I know of for thousands of transactions - testament to the good nature of people involved in watersports.

I've been in contact with morganj via email, and shall help out if I can.
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
14 Dec 2009 5:06pm
Good stuff Laurie. Its a great system you have and hate to see it get shanked
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23711 posts
WA, 23711 posts
14 Dec 2009 5:51pm
laurie said...

in three years, there have only been a couple of disputes is amazing. Literally, less than 3 disputes that I know of for thousands of transactions - testament to the good nature of people involved in watersports.

I've been in contact with morganj via email, and shall help out if I can.


Damn, I have some shonky stuff I was hoping to unload on some beginner for a mint ;-)
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
14 Dec 2009 6:07pm
Personally I think Poo Rellie hit the Latin nail on the head. Buyer beware is what it translates to. Effectively that is how the law looks at personal (non registered business) sales too.


I don't expect SB to be reponsible for transaction (just like I wouldn't expect the trading post/Quokka etc to) but it is undoubtably a low act to stooge a noob. It is obviously tops that Laurie is prepared to respond to this sort of shenaningans but you have to take reposibility for your own decisions too. Not bagging you Morgan BTW.



It's not just noobs either I had a look at a "Awww I have hardly used the 11m mate - it is almost like new" kite a year or so ago and was shocked to find a salt caked (and i mean so thick it was caked on the LE) kite with a split in the LE seams that the bladder was peaking out thru. Obviously i didn't bother pumping the unit as it was never gonna be a sale. A noob may have gone for it though. To this day i am not sure if the seller was delusional or shonky or both.

Anyway you wouldn't buy a car (surely) without starting and/or driving so check out a kite pumped and look carefully at it ALL OVER. Listen to the valves etc etc. If the seller has some lame excuse for not being able to inflate he/she either is not keen enough to make a sale or pulling your leg.
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
14 Dec 2009 6:57pm
Just like when buying dolphin fillets you have to smell them first to make sure they are ok
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