In prison for not paying back debt

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petermac33
petermac33
WA
6415 posts
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6 Jun 2011 2:26am



http://debtprison.net/wordpress/47/can-you-go-to-jail-for-not-paying-your-debts/
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
6 Jun 2011 3:16pm
Propaganda at it's best!

RT sounds about on the same level as Today Tonight, peddling:

F ear
U nertainty
D oubt

They didn't even both to cite one specific case where / how this has happened - (lack of) quality reporting indeed!

I want my 7:06 minutes back...
elkatman
elkatman
NSW
8 posts
NSW, 8 posts
9 Jun 2011 2:36pm
Just rubbish really. Imprisonment for debt or any other tort stopped a couple of centuries ago. If this wasn't just a sensationalist waste of time topic it would say "Imprisonment for defying court orders" or for "contempt of court" which is, obviously, a different thing.
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
9 Jun 2011 3:01pm
GalahOnTheBay said...

Propaganda at it's best!

RT sounds about on the same level as Today Tonight, peddling:

F ear
U nertainty
D oubt

They didn't even both to cite one specific case where / how this has happened - (lack of) quality reporting indeed!

I want my 7:06 minutes back...


TT sh!ts me beyond measure!!

Speshly all the unertainty they peddle.
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
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9 Jun 2011 3:15pm
Very typical posting from PM33
saltiest1
saltiest1
NSW
2575 posts
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9 Jun 2011 5:45pm
i got clients that owe me $$$. i wouldnt lock them up, id make them work it off!
Dadzrites
Dadzrites
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1 posts
11 Jun 2011 8:09am
They are arresting and imprisoning people for owing credit card and mortgage debt in Wisconsin and Minnesota. They've been doing it for the past few years.

They've been arresting and jailing men for child support debt and alimony debt for decades, even though every state in the USA prohibits imprisonment for debt in ANY action.

No matter what the courts and lawyers call it, whether "violation of a court order", or "violation of litigant's rights", it is still a CIVIL debt by operation of law. See 42 USC Section 666 of the Federal (US) Child Support Enforcement laws.

Violation of a court order or contempt is irrelevant. It is a method for government to circumvent constitutional prohibitions to violate rights of unsuspecting and unfortunate individuals who cannot pay their debts or support obligations because of involuntary unemployment, underemployment, or disability.
japie
japie
NSW
7146 posts
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11 Jun 2011 12:54pm
^USA - our fascist role model
theDoctor
theDoctor
NSW
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11 Jun 2011 2:16pm

awesome, I'm no law expert, but this is how it has been explained to me (by a notarised freeman)

even in this country for fiduciary matters you come before a magistrate court (and a magistrate not a judge)

which is a commercial court

operating outside the law of australia and its constitution

magistrates court 'acts' upon your legal commercial identity which you were given at birth thanks to your parents when they 'registered' your commercial identity with a birthing (berthing) certificate.

its a facinating conspiracy that readily entraps us from birth where we voluntarily give up our god given rights of freedom from trespass for legal entrapment in servitude and slavery

the trick is to be able to legally seperate yourself from your legal commercial fiction (strawman).

which sounds easy but ain't. keeping in mind the english language was developed as a commercial language, and the 'act' of even turning up or 'presenting' yourself at a magistrates court immediately finds you liable.
SomeOtherGuy
SomeOtherGuy
NSW
807 posts
NSW, 807 posts
11 Jun 2011 3:40pm
Dadzrites said...

They are arresting and imprisoning people for owing credit card and mortgage debt in Wisconsin and Minnesota. They've been doing it for the past few years.

They've been arresting and jailing men for child support debt and alimony debt for decades, even though every state in the USA prohibits imprisonment for debt in ANY action.

No matter what the courts and lawyers call it, whether "violation of a court order", or "violation of litigant's rights", it is still a CIVIL debt by operation of law. See 42 USC Section 666 of the Federal (US) Child Support Enforcement laws.

Violation of a court order or contempt is irrelevant. It is a method for government to circumvent constitutional prohibitions to violate rights of unsuspecting and unfortunate individuals who cannot pay their debts or support obligations because of involuntary unemployment, underemployment, or disability.


Fascinating. Only bit I missed is the bit where we became part of the USA. Can you point that bit out to me please?
SomeOtherGuy
SomeOtherGuy
NSW
807 posts
NSW, 807 posts
11 Jun 2011 4:49pm
theDoctor said...


awesome, I'm no law expert, but ... (some blather) ...

its a facinating conspiracy that readily entraps us from birth where we voluntarily give up our god given rights of freedom from trespass for legal entrapment in servitude and slavery being able to be a bludging ars$hole and take some hardworking bloke's goods and then refusing to pay for them for the right to be honest

... (more meaningless rubbish)...


Fixed it for you doc.

If you really don't want to turn up in a magistrates court, declare yourself bankrupt.
stamp
stamp
QLD
2798 posts
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11 Jun 2011 6:03pm
theDoctor said...


even in this country for fiduciary matters you come before a magistrate court (and a magistrate not a judge)

which is a commercial court

operating outside the law of australia and its constitution




do you honestly believe any of this? the facts are that a magistrates court is the lowest in the australian court hierarchy and is bound by constitutional law to follow both the decisions of any higher court and statute law.

commercial? operating outside the law? too much fluoride in your water doc?
pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
11 Jun 2011 8:14pm
SomeOtherGuy said...
Fascinating. Only bit I missed is the bit where we became part of the USA. Can you point that bit out to me please?

Circa Keating or thereabout ?
japie
japie
NSW
7146 posts
NSW, 7146 posts
11 Jun 2011 10:24pm
stamp said...

theDoctor said...


even in this country for fiduciary matters you come before a magistrate court (and a magistrate not a judge)

which is a commercial court

operating outside the law of australia and its constitution




do you honestly believe any of this? the facts are that a magistrates court is the lowest in the australian court hierarchy and is bound by constitutional law to follow both the decisions of any higher court and statute law.

commercial? operating outside the law? too much fluoride in your water doc?


And then the damp comes up through the floor, but hell I was working so hard I did not notice it
SomeOtherGuy
SomeOtherGuy
NSW
807 posts
NSW, 807 posts
11 Jun 2011 10:32pm
pierrec45 said...

SomeOtherGuy said...
Fascinating. Only bit I missed is the bit where we became part of the USA. Can you point that bit out to me please?

Circa Keating or thereabout ?


No, I meant on this planet.
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