Is the sea this sick?

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DavidJohn
DavidJohn
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22 Oct 2013 7:35am
Very sad if it is... www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/1848433/the-ocean-is-broken/

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Mr float
Mr float
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22 Oct 2013 9:09am


Depressing,yet we continue to deny and do nothing to change our insatiable appetite to devour the planet.
Sailhack
Sailhack
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22 Oct 2013 10:54am
A bit over the top IMO...I went fishing for a week once & caught heaps - went again years later & caught very little...went again & caught heaps again!

I agree that the techniques used on many trawlers is appalling & should be changed, but who is going to police it? Bag limits and Quotas are in place, but seem to simply make it easier to keep the best fish & dump the by-catch.

(I'm going to get flamed for this one) - Population increases of GW sharks & especially seals & other predators due to protection laws mean that additional to the over fishing (that is mainly done by our neighbours), there's also an element of 'natural' overfishing by the predators that are protected.

100 years ago sharks, seals, whales were killed for their meat/skins/oils, less predators encouraged smaller baitfish to thrive and larger fish to breed and source the food, whilst the fishing trawlers did only small journeys (in their small boats) in order to bring back fresh fish .

50 years ago, the human population still ate fresh fish, not frozen fish caught from the other side of the country. If you lived in the centre of Aus or any mainland, ocean fish was an extreme delicacy...now it's on every menu.

30 years ago we began to rape/pillage the oceans - we exported fish but not to the extent that we do today. Fish-finding technology was still mainly in the head of the fisherman who's family had fished the same water for decades.

10 years ago...although technology caught up, local fishing laws limited what the local fishermen could catch...GREAT! (Except that law didn't extend to international fishers, and even if it did - they know that they can avoid penalty easily)...and here we are, upset that our oceans are depleted from fish yet the laws have never been more strict.

(Local) Commercial Fishermen are a dying breed and will soon be pushed out of the industry completely - to open the floodgates to supertrawlers from all over the world that have an aim to maximise catches and prices. Sadly, the only fish we'll be able to eat will be the fish we catch ourselves with a rod/reel, although with tightening up of sizes and bag-limits we'll struggle to be allowed to catch enough fish to feed our families. Marine Parks and protected waters close to the shore will become more prolific, making it difficult to catch a fish, and licenses will make it a non-viable option.

We'll be left with buying only fish that is supplied to our supermarkets in Aus, (Hake or other scum-eating species probably caught in the Ganges & sold as whiting) whilst our fresh stock of fish from our oceans feed the masses...Shark attacks will increase as the population of sharks won't balance with the food source - our coastline will stink from the excessive seal colonies that will clean up what's left of the fish close to shore.

Now that's how you paint a picture of a depressing outlook for the future of our oceans.
rod_bunny
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22 Oct 2013 10:24am
Sailhack said..
Sadly, the only fish we'll be able to eat will be the fish we catch ourselves with a rod/reel, although with tightening up of sizes and bag-limits we'll struggle to be allowed to catch enough fish to feed our families. Marine Parks and protected waters close to the shore will become more prolific, making it difficult to catch a fish, and licenses will make it a non-viable option.


Already happened...

I held full licences for 5 years in WA for all types of fishing just in case I wanted to go freshwater etc... 5 licences was about $80. Now its $207!!
I didnt renew them... until now, and then only just the boat fishing licence (and only because I won $40 on tags to catch 4 fish in Shark Bay!)

So the 4 fish I may catch is gonna cost me & wife $100! and thats before I factor in fuel to get there, boat licence, trailer licence...


Stopped getting abalone as the 5 hour season was just rediculous... going out regardless of conditions got a dude dead last year.


Needing licences dont seem to stop the clowns around Mandurah taking eskies full of undersize crabs... whilst parked right next to the regulations sign (seen and reported on a number of occasions at my local spot)

jbshack
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22 Oct 2013 1:43pm


The sad part is people still want to put their heads into the sand over the issue
Ian K
Ian K
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22 Oct 2013 1:56pm
People in general. There's 7 billion of us. Most of us trying to do ourselves in with hamburgers, cigarettes, alcohol, car crashes etc. We out number the humpback whale by 100,000 to 1, even on total biomass we out do them 100 to 1. But we daren't lose one of our numbers to a shark. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/10/22/10/32/baby-humpback-entangled-at-sydney-beach

For a species that considers itself intelligent we're hopeless at statistics.
Beam me up Scotty.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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22 Oct 2013 10:35pm
How come the ocean and beaches around Australia seem to be basically the same as what they where 10, 20 or 30 years ago? Basically in my lifetime I have not seen much differences. A big difference though is 30 years ago I never ever saw a whale off the beach. However they are quite a common sight now. Back when I was a kid I probably saw more coconuts washing up on the beach than I do today but I went to the beach when I was a kid than I do now.

landyacht
landyacht
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22 Oct 2013 7:47pm
Sailhack said..



100 years ago sharks, seals, whales were killed for their meat/skins/oils, less predators encouraged smaller baitfish to thrive and larger fish to breed and source the food, whilst the fishing trawlers did only small journeys (in their small boats) in order to bring back fresh fish .

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we live 400 km inland yet when the railway went in in 1906 , with a few weeks they had a train that delivered fish on Ice by the next morning to Kalgoorlie/boulder, which at the time had a population not much smaller than is perth.. I suspect our pillaging the ocean goes much further back to the use of Ice, and then refrigeration.


Sailhack
Sailhack
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23 Oct 2013 12:10am
^^^You have a good memory and must be doing well for a 120+yo!

400kms isn't really far inland but you're right, there was seafood transported over 100yrs ago but not to the same level it is now. My parents have often commented on how good the "fresh" seafood smorgasbord is at the Wentworth Club - about 600kms inland/north of the nearest ocean. That's the problem - instead of eating seasonal and local food, we want what we want... now! Mangoes, strawberries and oranges in winter, Barramundi in southern states, fresh 'oysters natural' in Alice Springs etc.
dmitri
dmitri
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23 Oct 2013 10:53pm
Sailhack said...


(Local) Commercial Fishermen are a dying breed and will soon be pushed out of the industry completely - to open the floodgates to supertrawlers from all over the world that have an aim to maximise catches and prices. Sadly, the only fish we'll be able to eat will be the fish we catch ourselves with a rod/reel, although with tightening up of sizes and bag-limits we'll struggle to be allowed to catch enough fish to feed our families. Marine Parks and protected waters close to the shore will become more prolific, making it difficult to catch a fish, and licenses will make it a non-viable option.

We'll be left with buying only fish that is supplied to our supermarkets in Aus, (Hake or other scum-eating species probably caught in the Ganges & sold as whiting) whilst our fresh stock of fish from our oceans feed the masses...Shark attacks will increase as the population of sharks won't balance with the food source - our coastline will stink from the excessive seal colonies that will clean up what's left of the fish close to shore.

Now that's how you paint a picture of a depressing outlook for the future of our oceans.


the floodgates to supertrawlers were opened in the 80s when the ussr had the largest fishing fleet in the world.

jeez. their supertrawlers were all over the globe. thouthands of them.
some kiwis on this forum may remember the soviet trawlers in their waters and ports.

also the was big whaling and krill fleet in antarctica.

yep. there was the supertrawlers prime time in the 80s when owned by the commie goverment. because only crazy goverments can afford 'em.

landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
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23 Oct 2013 8:24pm
Sailhack said..

^^^You have a good memory and must be doing well for a 120+yo!

400kms isn't really far inland but you're right, there was seafood transported over 100yrs ago but not to the same level it is now. My parents have often commented on how good the "fresh" seafood smorgasbord is at the Wentworth Club - about 600kms inland/north of the nearest ocean. That's the problem - instead of eating seasonal and local food, we want what we want... now! Mangoes, strawberries and oranges in winter, Barramundi in southern states, fresh 'oysters natural' in Alice Springs etc.


jsut a good memory for interesting advertisements in old newspapers whilst researching other stuff
theDoctor
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24 Oct 2013 12:18am




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