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Green Cherub
Green Cherub
WA
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10 May 2013 9:35pm
Looking at getting a few friends together and going to Japan at the end of the year. I'm sure there are a few of you who have managed to score some of that sweet sweet japanese powder so I'd thought I ask the always reliable seabreeze brains trust to any recommondations.

From my research and recommendations Niseko has been called Kuta with Snow. I'm not a fan of bali but does anyone comment on it? Any particular packages or accom that you'd recommend? And how long would you recommend, I'd be looking to be on the slopes for about 10 days.

Watching this today has got me damn excited;
tgladman
tgladman
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10 May 2013 9:55pm
I spent 2 solid weeks riding niseko. Is an amazing place. Well over run by Aussies now but still worth the trek. The ppl in that country are amazing and the culture is incredible (outside kuta) one night we had 115cm dump. Got on the first chair the next morning and got to the top of the run and couldn't move. WAAAAY too deep. Had to walk back down to get some steep.
I've rode Canada, states, NZ, aus and this was by far the deepest, dryest fliffiest white heaven I have ever had all over my face.
We stayed in a place called mushroom apartments. Nice little place (no luxury) good heating just down the road from the seiko Mart.
If u go, book yourself a back country tour with black diamond tours. And ask him about other local hills.
That guy knows that place like the back of his hand.
He took us to a local hill that we were riding untracked powder from the top of the chairlift at 4pm. There was about 30 other ppl on the hill the day after that massive dump. Honestly didn't think that kind of thing was possible.
Well over waist deep and no one else around.
Ill never forget it.
Buster fin
Buster fin
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10 May 2013 10:13pm
I've not been to Niseko but am to believe that the hills in the area are pretty half arsed. It would be good for those with limited language skills though.
There are heaps of options and yeah, the pow is ideal.
Haydn24
Haydn24
QLD
473 posts
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11 May 2013 12:38am
I have to agree with tgladman, I've done 6 season passes in australia and did a trip to niseko in Feb of 2011. The only word I can describe it is unbelievable. It's certainly not a young person only place and you'd have to be walking around late at night to see drunk aussie idiots, most people just sleep early. Food is great, culture is awesome - very friendly. The snow... if you get lucky and get a few big dumps (we got 180cm over 3 days) you will be in for the time of your life. Find where the resort gates are, go outside them (its legal when they allow it) and cruise knee-waist deep in the lightest powder ever through the trees... yewwwww. 10 days is perfect amount of riding in my opinion. I did 14 and the last couple of days were a struggle and didn't enjoy it as much as I couldn't make the most of it.

We stayed in a backpackers lodge but they also had private room accommodation which looked really nice. The owner was lovely and everything went smoothly. http://niseko-backpacker.com/

Have a look on that site.. they do really good deals including lift tickets as well.

I'll be over there from Dec 22 - Jan 15!!! Might see you there :)

Hope this helps, cheers.

EDIT: Even if you don't get big snow dumps (very likely you will!), the snow is still incredible, plus there plenty of places to ski (4 resorts all linked up).. plenty of terrain parks too if your into that!
needsalt
needsalt
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385 posts
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11 May 2013 9:04am
If you want the powder but without the touristy Australian culture, think about Rusutsu. Just over the mountain from Niseko. Awesome.

Heaps of other cool resorts around Hokkaido too. Smaller than Niseko but still a decent size by Australian standards. And actually Japanese
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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11 May 2013 9:27am
In 2008 we went Hakuba which on the main island, I think it's Honshu. We flew into Tokyo and took a bus there. So it was easy to get to. The dollar was at an effective parity then with a dollar buying 99 yen. So it was easy to make price comparisons.

Hakuba was a great little town. I think it was the venue of a winter Olympics as there were Olympic signs around some of the buildings. The mountains there are huge and in March at least, there was tons of snow. Down in the town the snow was over two meters deep. You could see how deep it was on vacant lots.

The skiing/boarding seemed pretty good though I'm not a good judge as its the first time I tried it. However the lifts were cheap. Something like $15 or so for a day pass with lifts going right up into the mountains. There are onsen there too which are great after falling over on snow all day but a bit of a cultural experience.
Annika
Annika
WA
48 posts
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11 May 2013 12:50pm
We've been to Hokkaido the last 4 years in a row (yes somewhat addicted to real pow)... exploring a bit more each trip. I'd say it's ruined Aus and NZ skiing for me. Yes Buster---the mountains aren't huge (1200m max).... so if you want extreme steep slopes/ double black terrain and long drops then it's not the place for you. But for the average person the consistent powder is hard to beat.

In terms of where in Hokkaido it really depends what you are after:

If you want to be based in one place then Niseko is very easy and snow is the main reason you are travelling. Lots of restaurants to choose from. Large amount of terrain (although don't fresh pow at the end of the day) to explore and you can easily do some day trips to some other nearby hills by bus if you want. 10 days would be fine there. Culturally you aren't getting the full Japanese experience (we've never had a problem with drunks) but then on a ski trip thats not important to everyone.

Our last trip we rented a car and explored quite a bit staying in a variety of places/cities. Had a ball at all different types of resorts.... boarded some tiny places(500m hills) with 2 lifts--- but some of these little unknown hills have fresh pow 3-4 days after snow as the locals don't tend to go off piste. And so many experiences mingling with the Japanese that made the trip--- so friendly and welcoming. Don't need any/good japanese skills - it was pretty easy getting round. Some cities/towns are pretty quiet in the evenings (which I think is why Kuta loving types all go to Niseko) - but that wasn't important to us. Plenty of good food, a quiet drink and then pass out from exhaustion after a day on the slopes was the normal routine.

Really depends what's important to you and what style of holiday you like. Either way I'm sure you'll love it there...

Check here for lots of trip reports:
snowjapan.com/
Reflex Films
Reflex Films
WA
1461 posts
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11 May 2013 1:11pm
I Highly recommend Nozawa Onsen on the main island - Tons of Character and a great mountain. you lose i day less of travelling too so you can get an extra day or 2 on snow in your time frame. 5 days on snow at Nozawa and you will be pretty stoked - and then its just a short cruise to Hakuba if you want to mix it up.

Niseko sounds like a ton of fun. But never been.

Long runs are over rated - give me a nice medium short section of mountain and let me ride it over and over again.

Have also done Furano and that was fun too.

After all of that last trip was to NZ and was still a ton of fun! Some of the club fields including Lake Oahau really made the trip.

AJEaster
AJEaster
NSW
699 posts
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13 May 2013 9:32am
needsalt said..

think about Rusutsu. Just over the mountain from Niseko. Awesome.



I have to agree. Rusutsu was fun and not busy. We stayed at Niseko and did a couple of trips over to Rusutsu just to spice things up.

Boarding in Japan is a hoot - great food, accomodating and friendly people and best of all, spending an hour in the evening with a Sapporo Draught in the hotel Onsen with the snow falling on your face is a great ending to the day.......and it soothes the leg muscles ready for the next days pounding
Green Cherub
Green Cherub
WA
296 posts
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13 May 2013 11:04pm
Big thanks to all the replies! Kinda blown away

I'm definately a sucker for the powder and the higher the probability of getting fresh pillows everymorning for breakfast the better, so Niseko might be the way to go especially with the option to go to Rusutsu for a few days. Might have to go a few more times after that and taste the more traditional palces too. Defs keen on a place with an out side hot bath.

Will weigh up the Habuka and Nozuwa option too!

What time of the year do they get the biggest dumps? Is around feb the best time to go? (no school holidays too..)

Argh and its only May... haha.

Cheers, for all the input. I'll hopefully post my travel dates at some point :P


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1255 posts
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14 May 2013 1:35pm
Personally would go to mountains in Hokkaido over Hakuba - bigger dumps, colder (better pow), and you don't have to worry about the ski patrol losing it at you (and possibility of losing lift pass) for going off-piste into the trees

And really, the tree runs are what we go for in Japan
AquaPlow
AquaPlow
QLD
1066 posts
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14 May 2013 11:43pm
G C - Niseko as a 1st O/S ski trip - the powder squeeks it is very dry. The average is 12 m over the season this year was big but last year we were swamped (20+m). To get the most out of your time decide on travel plan. We wanted to max snow time this time so flew straight into Hokkaido via S.Korea w/o a stopover on the main island. - If U want to buy quality bargain gear then Tokyo s/over. (The ski- forum link I was going to post has been broken - and time4shuteye - the lady who runs this site does a comprehensive what, where, travel times, and prices from Oct/Nov www.tokyoshoppingtours.com/Shopping__what_and_where.html)

Most everywhere has wifi - so before we went booked Telstra 2g package for $15 - more than enough txt / phone calls for 10 days - no data roaming bill shock.

The exchange will likely hold up at $1 : 100 +/- yen (they are printing YEN like there is no tomorrow) - even the rate at Aus Post is decent - this is major improvement it has been $1 : 80 yen and lower last few years.

Timing for us has been driven by kids school schedule but the gap between the end of Japanese xmas break and the Chinese new year has worked well (say 06 - 20 January) - The later in the season the cheaper - so easter is bargain. I think it snowed regularly through February this year.

If U want big mountains big scenery then North America / or a fair amount of the Alps are in a different league but the Japanese powder snow quality hard to beat.


Cheers

AP
tgladman
tgladman
WA
500 posts
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15 May 2013 9:31pm
Green Cherub said...
Defs keen on a place with an out side hot bath.




There is an onsen that is outside with access to it from inside a building just over the back of niseko.
It's sort of on its own.
Do a little research and you'll find it easy.
Or book a back country tour with black diamond. He'll take you on a mind blowing tour out of bounds through untracked pow and finish the run down to that onsen.
Awesome.
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