Julian Assange - knob or hero?

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adolf
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4 Oct 2011 6:33pm
Interesting story tonight on Foreign correspondent on Julian Assange. I know he's the poster boy of Shooting the breeze, but it sounds like he got a bit caught up in his own self importance.

Anyone watch it?
BulldogPup
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4 Oct 2011 6:43pm
I don't think he's a knob - just think he blew one too many over on the septics and they've sicced the CIA/FBI thugs on him ... they of course latched onto the rape thingy because it's probably the only thing they had.
No world hero for mine,but how about that bunker full of electromadness!
SomeOtherGuy
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4 Oct 2011 9:55pm
Only caught the last few minutes so can't really comment on the show. That said, I do think he suffers from his own self importance, as you say. Still, I'm fairly happy that he's there spilling at least some of the beans so if he's out, I hope someone else steps up.
myusernam
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4 Oct 2011 8:59pm
knob
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4 Oct 2011 10:11pm
I watched the show. Yeah he is up himself but, and it's a big but, he is showing the emperor has no clothes. Big government, big business, it's all the same. A few at the top profiting from the masses. If a few rag heads get killed in the process who cares?

When Gillard and Co basically said Assange was a traitor I was disgusted. She showed herself not to be fit for the job as PM.


When those American politicians threatened him, Gillard should have got on the phone to Beasly in Washington and told him to get it out there that and tell the yanks they can't go around threatening to kill Australians!
Toots
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4 Oct 2011 8:03pm
Hero of the world for what he does, Knob because he poses for News Journo Photogs for file fodder.
Only caught the last 5 minutes myself, but they should have employed some more professionals before they went public, because it proves no matter what you've got, they gonna make ya look like a goat blower even if you're a Lesbian militant.
GalahOnTheBay
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5 Oct 2011 12:15am
Mobydisc said...

Yeah he is up himself but, and it's a big but, he is showing the emperor has no clothes


Life isn't black and white.

I think he's quite a bit of both!
japie
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5 Oct 2011 1:54am
I tend toward Brzezinski's view - he is more likely to know than anyone on here!

petermac33
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5 Oct 2011 2:21am
Assange is put out there to get your trust.

example...well if 911 was an inside job,Julian sure would have exposed it.

he does not question any part of the official fairytale,believing the passports that fell rather conveniently are stronger and more resistant to disintegration than steel and concrete!
pierrec45
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5 Oct 2011 8:34am
In my view the fact that Assange may be full of himself (I think he likes the spotlight) does not preclude the fact that he digs up stuff that would not have been disclosed otherwise.

Else the world is solely at the mercy of the US inventing WMD stories in the name of 'national security'. And lacqueys like Howard agreeing that we have to go and get Aussies killed in some God-forsaken countries. (or as recently as 2009 say we need to send more troops in risk of "losing the war").
hamburglar
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5 Oct 2011 8:37am
myusernam said...

knob


+1
Trant
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5 Oct 2011 10:07am
hamburglar said...

myusernam said...

knob


+1


+1

and he's a f*ckup


Some 250,000 diplomatic dispatches from the US State Department have accidentally been made completely public. The files include the names of informants who now must fear for their lives. It is the result of a series of blunders by WikiLeaks and its supporters.


www.spiegel.de/international/world/leak-at-wikileaks-a-dispatch-disaster-in-six-acts-a-783778.html

Mobydisc
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5 Oct 2011 5:52pm
From the story last night it went something along the lines that the main password for the wikileaks portal was published in a book written by Guardian journalists. Once word got out a former volunteer with wikileaks tried the password out and found he could see everything. By the time Assange found out it was too late to know who had what. So he decided to make everything public.

It did not sound like he intended to publish information that could endanger someone's life as he had not done this before. Are there any examples where people named have suffered from retaliation besides people like Tony Blair sucking up to pigs like Assad and Ghadaffi?

evlPanda
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5 Oct 2011 6:59pm
Wait, wait ...what? The Wikileaks password is so static that a book can be published before it is changed? That's so, so ironic.

PS why did they include the password in a book, unless it was a really interesting one?
SomeOtherGuy
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5 Oct 2011 8:21pm
Really? That's completely bizarre. Got any links to the news article (or whatever)?

I think I've just downgraded my assessment of Assange to complete knob!
GalahOnTheBay
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5 Oct 2011 9:02pm
evlPanda said...

PS why did they include the password in a book, unless it was a really interesting one?


The password was "changeme123"

Oh wait that's the same as my seabreeze password...
Trant
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6 Oct 2011 4:17pm
SomeOtherGuy said...

Really? That's completely bizarre. Got any links to the news article (or whatever)?

I think I've just downgraded my assessment of Assange to complete knob!


www.spiegel.de/international/world/leak-at-wikileaks-a-dispatch-disaster-in-six-acts-a-783778.html

Basically Assange copied the encrypted,uneditted,compressed file to the main ftp server then gave the Guardian the password and location.
Assange forgot to remove the file after the Guardian obtained. Didn't change the password either.
File was accidentally made public when they released 'everything' via peer sharing because the Wikileaks webserver was under attack.
The Guardian reporter published the password in his book because he thought the password would have changed or the files removed in the intervening months.


Complete f*ck up.
Carantoc
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6 Oct 2011 3:15pm
Trant said...

SomeOtherGuy said...

Really? That's completely bizarre. Got any links to the news article (or whatever)?

I think I've just downgraded my assessment of Assange to complete knob!


www.spiegel.de/international/world/leak-at-wikileaks-a-dispatch-disaster-in-six-acts-a-783778.html

Basically Assange copied the encrypted,uneditted,compressed file to the main ftp server then gave the Guardian the password and location.
Assange forgot to remove the file after the Guardian obtained. Didn't change the password either.
File was accidentally made public when they released 'everything' via peer sharing because the Wikileaks webserver was under attack.
The Guardian reporter published the password in his book because he thought the password would have changed or the files removed in the intervening months.


Complete f*ck up.


Yep, only difference is when the US military f*cks up, and doesn't want anyone to know, it is released on Wikileaks and called a conspiracy of evil.

When the US military doesn't want anyone to know who it has spying in Iraq it is unacceptable, when Wikileaks doesn't want anyone to know who the architect is, it is justifiable to protect his identity and protect him from harm.

adolf
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6 Oct 2011 8:34pm
GalahOnTheBay said...

Life isn't black and white.

I think he's quite a bit of both!


I've been thinking about this since you said it.

For me it is black and white. I was thinking about heros I know. I couldn't think of attaching the word knob to any of them.

Steve Jobs - Hero
Fred Hollows - Hero
Moira Kelly - Hero


Ricky Nixon
Corry Worthington
Julian Assange
Derryn Hinch
Andrew Bolt
Bigwavedave
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6 Oct 2011 10:39pm
It's so funny how we always get sucked in to judging a person by how he portrayed in the media.

After all these years of crappy reporting (especially on the ABC) you'd think we'd learn by now to take a shovel full of salt with any TV report.

Hero or knob?

I wouldn't know because I never met the man.
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