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Macroscien
Macroscien
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6 Jul 2012 11:30pm
I have been doing my concrete driveways today.. and come to such (after thought) reflection.
What the beautiful material people invented that you could pour to any shape and become strong like a rock, get even stronger every year.
What could be even better than that ??
Yes !! It is .
Diamond, or simply speaking carbon (or coal).
We barbarians do just burn it for energy but our future generations could use it as a building block of everything. The strongest material known to humans.
They could build in the future 10 km high skyscrapers, lifts to the orbit , maybe Moon Everything could be made of "artificial diamonds"
All we do is just burning it ...isn't it sad ?

Our descendants will never forgive us such a waste...


handline
handline
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6 Jul 2012 11:51pm
yea,concrete is important,but the cost of electricity is a joke..burnt coal, fly ash and lime make up cement..sun,wind and water can help with our large power bills,especially those large tidal movements.
handline
handline
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7 Jul 2012 12:09am
diamonds r forever,can u melt a diamond
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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7 Jul 2012 12:12am
handline said...

diamonds r forever,can u melt a diamond


But a big hammer can smash one.

Coal is quite incredible. When viewed closely you can see why diamonds and coal are related.



Dawn Patrol
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6 Jul 2012 10:29pm
Yes a diamond can melt.

Must be pretty effing hot though.
handline
handline
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7 Jul 2012 12:44am
the new valued minerals now are used for mobile phones.or for brake pads on cars or lithium for batteries.
Macroscien
Macroscien
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7 Jul 2012 11:22am
I curious what could be maximum hight of the building made of out carbon fibre material ( similar to our masts and booms ).
The only problem that at this moment our material is effectively strong on stretching not compressing forces.
nebbian
nebbian
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7 Jul 2012 9:48am
Diamond is hard, but not tough, as MobyDisc alluded to.

They are completely different properties.

Carbon is an amazing substance...

cleantechnica.com/2012/07/06/mit-researchers-use-graphene-for-energy-efficient-desalination/
Poodle
Poodle
WA
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7 Jul 2012 7:50pm
Allotropes Grasshopper, allotropes.

So if I sequester a bunch of carbon in a new go fast GP42 racing yacht (or even a carbon reinforced sail), will Jooliar give me a carbon tax refund...???

Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
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7 Jul 2012 8:51pm
Macroscien said...

I have been doing my concrete driveways today.. and come to such (after thought) reflection.
What the beautiful material people invented that you could pour to any shape and become strong like a rock, get even stronger every year.
What could be even better than that ??
Yes !! It is .
Diamond, or simply speaking carbon (or coal).
We barbarians do just burn it for energy but our future generations could use it as a building block of everything. The strongest material known to humans.
They could build in the future 10 km high skyscrapers, lifts to the orbit , maybe Moon Everything could be made of "artificial diamonds"
All we do is just burning it ...isn't it sad ?

Our descendants will never forgive us such a waste...





I assume it was both physically and mentally tiring concreting your driveway ?

I think you may find that :

Coal isn't pure carbon and doesn't directly turn into diamonds.
Diamonds form about 50km below the earth's crust at 50 times atmospheric pressure and 2000 degrees C
It takes millions of years for blocks of carbon to turn into diamonds in these conditions
Modern man evolved about 200,000 years ago and walked out of Africa about 80,000 years ago.

So, when the coal we are currently digging at up to 60m below the earth's crust, sinks due to geological processes to 60km, then spends a couple million years turning into diamonds, then gets uplifted back to the surface to be collected, history suggest man will have either evolved into something quite different to man, or been replaced by something else.

The chance that our decedents would ever be able to obtain naturally occurring diamonds from the coal we are currently mining is just about zero.

Probably more likely they manufacture a different substance that is harder than diamond, stronger than diamond, more ductile than diamond and cheaper than diamond and place diamonds in museums to marvel at how the ancients fought trade wars over such trivial things.

Macroscien
Macroscien
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7 Jul 2012 11:12pm
Carantoc said...
Diamonds form about 50km below the earth's crust at 50 times atmospheric pressure and 2000 degrees C
It takes millions of years for blocks of carbon to turn into diamonds in these conditions

Even if earth crust was made of material of such density as water the pressure at 50 km should be 5,000 not 50 times of atmospheric
Nowadays, since we learned to weave carbon atoms into balls, sheets and tubes we don't need to wait million of years to do more useful things with carbon that burn it in furnace.
That has nothing to do with carbon tax - which just another example of waste - burning money this time


Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
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7 Jul 2012 9:22pm
Macroscien said...

Carantoc said...
Diamonds form about 50km below the earth's crust at 50 times atmospheric pressure and 2000 degrees C
It takes millions of years for blocks of carbon to turn into diamonds in these conditions

Even if earth crust was made of material of such density as water the pressure at 50 km should be 5,000 not 50 times of atmospheric
Nowadays, since we learned to weave carbon atoms into balls, sheets and tubes we don't need to wait million of years to do more useful things with carbon that burn it in furnace.
That has nothing to do with carbon tax - which just another example of waste - burning money this time





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