LED TV's - a public service announcement!

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Simondo
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28 Mar 2011 7:27pm
Another public service announcement!

The old Big Box TV in the bedroom blew a head gasket last week.

Replaced with a Sony LED 32" Full HD, for $810. (only 1"1/4 inches thick, and really light in weight compared to thicker LCD's)
Dodge SONIC LCD was $499, 32" Normal HD (5 inches thick)
Sony 32" LCD was $574 for Normal HD
Sony 32" Full HD LCD was $750 (4-5 inches thick).

LED is energy efficient.... I SWEAR, THERE IS ZERO HEAT coming from the back of the TV. To me, that means low energy use! It even switches the screen to black when you leave the room !! Timer motion sensor I'm guessing.

I would assume other brand LED TV's give off minimal heat. When buying a TV, pass your hand over the top-back vents, and just check the heat it generates.... More Heat = More Power consumption, surely!!??
patsken
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28 Mar 2011 5:20pm
The kids leave our BIG plasma on in winter to use as a heater.......
pweedas
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28 Mar 2011 5:58pm
It should say on the back how many watts it uses.
What does it say on the back of yours?
Typically, large plasmas use about 500 watts plus,
LCD screens around 300 watts
and LED tv's around 200 watts.
So the difference between LED and the normal LCD screens is not that much.

Most of the electonics between the old LCD screens and the new LED screens are the same. A LED display is still just an LCD tv but the light source is from a bunch of LEDs around the edge of the display instead of the mini flouro light in the older screens.

dusta
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28 Mar 2011 6:07pm
yup the led tv's are simply lcd screens with an LED backlight . Biggest crock of **** but like ipads the masses think they are getting something awesome .

Mark _australia
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28 Mar 2011 6:59pm
patsken said...

The kids leave our BIG plasma on in winter to use as a heater.......


what's your address again?
lotofwind
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28 Mar 2011 10:42pm
Big plasmas use about 3 to 4 amps, the older plasmas are the worst,,really power hungry.
The LED's use about 0.8amps,,,,,,,huge difference in power usage.
You could have 4 or 5 big LED tv's on and only use the same power as 1 plasma.

If you consider that most family homes the tv gets turned on at about 4pm,
then stays on till everyone goes to bed,,,,,say 11pm. So the tv is burning away for 7 hours every night, mummy might watch days of our lives during the day, and weekends the kids might play video games for a few hours,,dad watches footy,cricket all day ect.
All those hours burning 4 amps through your heater/plasma add up to a good power bill.
Mobydisc
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28 Mar 2011 10:48pm
Plasmas have a better picture too.

Under 106cm it's basically impossible to buy a plasma.

I've got a four year old Samsung plasma and it has a better picture than my parents 2010 LCD tv.




choco
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28 Mar 2011 10:32pm
Mobydisc said...

Plasmas have a better picture too.

Under 106cm it's basically impossible to buy a plasma.

I've got a four year old Samsung plasma and it has a better picture than my parents 2010 LCD tv.




If they are not calibrated correctly any set looks like $hit



lotofwind
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28 Mar 2011 11:07pm
Mobydisc said...

Plasmas have a better picture too.

Under 106cm it's basically impossible to buy a plasma.

I've got a four year old Samsung plasma and it has a better picture than my parents 2010 LCD tv.







If you understood how much elecricity will cost you in 6 years time, you will be watching an LED,
Plasmas will not be made anymore,unless they can make them less power hungry.

If you still own one in a few more years,,I hope you enjoy the 20mins a day you can afford to watch your slightly better picture that human eye cant actually see.You have been sucked into the plasma salesmans last remaining selling point.
Plasma owners are the new Beta owners
OceanBlue64
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28 Mar 2011 11:14pm
Working as a tech in the service industry and for a warranty repair agent for quite a few major brands, I can honestly say that I would never buy a new plasma.

Heavier, hotter and tend to have more issues than LCD's.

LED tvs are just a lcd with led backlighting instead of fluorescent backlighting. While I agree that the early LCD's had picture quality issues compared to plasma, the new generation are great. Very good contrast, good colour (blacks etc are very good) and very minimal judder on moving images.

If I had an unlimited budget, I would have a LED backlit LCD, but in saying that its a bit like art - what I like, someone else will hate and visa versa. It all comes down to personal choice. We still have customers altering the settings of their new set to emulate their 25 year old tube set that they just replaced.

Oh and on the plasma issue - according to a few tech seminars I went too - Australia is one of the few countries in the world that still has a large demand for plasmas. Its been put down to the initial advertising that plasma was the best for watching sport!
landyacht
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28 Mar 2011 8:16pm
Mark _australia said...

patsken said...

The kids leave our BIG plasma on in winter to use as a heater.......


what's your address again?
just drive around the block on roadside pick up days. the house breakers drive around to look at the boxes and see what people are throwing out since its been replaced by a shiny new one.
sorry for thinking like a bad person

Mark _australia
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28 Mar 2011 8:21pm
For 2 hrs a day on average (actually that is about max) I don't see why I'd ahve a flash new thing for $2K plus
Got a 90cm old school tube TV I bought for $40 and in it's day 10 years ago it was about $3K. Also got a68cm old school that was about $800 8 yrs ago... good enough!

Unless you are one of the AV gurus where watching movies in cinema quality or better is your hobby I really don't see the point.
Gotta laugh at all those who spend $10K plus on 'home cinema" to keep up with the Joneses and then they bung it in a room that is close to cube shaped and thus has rubbish accoustics.

Spend the difference on wind sports equipment

OceanBlue64
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28 Mar 2011 11:25pm
Mark _australia said...

Gotta laugh at all those who spend $10K plus on 'home cinema" to keep up with the Joneses and then they bung it in a room that is close to cube shaped and thus has rubbish accoustics.




I worked on a cd player the other day - and this is just a cd player - that retailed for $11000 - but he got it discounted down to around $9000 I think it was.
lotofwind
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28 Mar 2011 11:37pm
Mark _australia said...

For 2 hrs a day on average (actually that is about max) I don't see why I'd ahve a flash new thing for $2K plus
Got a 90cm old school tube TV I bought for $40 and in it's day 10 years ago it was about $3K. Also got a68cm old school that was about $800 8 yrs ago... good enough!

Unless you are one of the AV gurus where watching movies in cinema quality or better is your hobby I really don't see the point.
Gotta laugh at all those who spend $10K plus on 'home cinema" to keep up with the Joneses and then they bung it in a room that is close to cube shaped and thus has rubbish accoustics.

Spend the difference on wind sports equipment




Far enough,,,,but
I saw your tv the other day.

Seriously mark,stop being so tight,,,live a little.Take your transister radio and tv with legs to the dump, spend $400 on a new tv,,you'll never look back.
You can still plug your VCR into a LCD, so you can still watch windsurfing videosLOL
SandS
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28 Mar 2011 11:46pm

I Vont to suck your Plasma
Mobydisc
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29 Mar 2011 12:42am
Yeah the anti plasma group have spoken. The fact is the main reason why we buy a TV is to watch it. If we can get a decent picture then that is the go. In my experience there is no LCD or LED TV that produces a picture that is comparable to a CRT or plasma TV. The fact a LCD or LED TV needs to be backlit to produce a picture means the picture will never be totally black.

Calibration plays a part. View angle plays a part. Distance plays a part.

Yes plasmas use more power. I roughly calculated it costs me $20 a year to use a plasma vs a LED TV for power use. If I decided to trash my plasma and buy a LED TV, something that was not available in 2007, it would probably take me about 50 years to make up the difference in buying a $1000 TV.

So unless my plasma dies I'll just accept I have to pay a bit more while enjoying a better picture.

cisco
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28 Mar 2011 11:47pm
My 20 year old 51 cm Sony Trinitron still throws a great pic.

If it ain't broke, why replace it.
saltiest1
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29 Mar 2011 1:29am
cisco said...

My 20 year old 51 cm Sony Trinitron still throws a great pic.

If it ain't broke, why replace it.




mine started a fire.
Mark _australia
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28 Mar 2011 10:30pm
lotofwind said...

Mark _australia said...

For 2 hrs a day on average (actually that is about max) I don't see why I'd ahve a flash new thing for $2K plus
Got a 90cm old school tube TV I bought for $40 and in it's day 10 years ago it was about $3K. Also got a68cm old school that was about $800 8 yrs ago... good enough!

Unless you are one of the AV gurus where watching movies in cinema quality or better is your hobby I really don't see the point.
Gotta laugh at all those who spend $10K plus on 'home cinema" to keep up with the Joneses and then they bung it in a room that is close to cube shaped and thus has rubbish accoustics.

Spend the difference on wind sports equipment




Far enough,,,,but
I saw your tv the other day.

Seriously mark,stop being so tight,,,live a little.Take your transister radio and tv with legs to the dump, spend $400 on a new tv,,you'll never look back.
You can still plug your VCR into a LCD, so you can still watch windsurfing videosLOL


Grow up and leave the "old" jokes alone

My point (with no trolling response required, thanks) is who spends $2000 on a set of tyres for their car that may save their life?
Who spends $2000 on a decent bed to help thir back when it is prone to injury in sports such as ours?
Who spends $2000 extra on their health, retirement fund or giving to the poor?

Some of us do ....... but 3/4 of the middle class population throw away a perfectly good TV to keep up with the Jones'. Probably the same crew who moan about global warming and mining companies and wasteful moder society cos that is trendy discussion amongst the chardonnay set too

My mate to is an audiophile / AV-phile (if that's a word) and spent a fortune on his gear but that is a hobby. Just like we spend a lot on our hobbies

But I estimate over half of $3K "flat screen gee whizz TV" owners could not tell the difference between their telly and a big version of an old CRT screen. They really don't need one cos it is not their hobby, it is just keeping up with the Jones'

If realising that it is a waste of money spending a sh!tload of money on something I rarely use, then yep, I'm dumb.

Or did I upset you as you suddenly just realised your 'home theatre room' is actually near enough a cube and therefore accoustically useless ....... and it is the 1980's "games room" or 1990's "Parents retreat" re-named by savvy building companies
nebbian
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29 Mar 2011 12:54am
I find it extremely funny seeing friends with a massive tv, who say "Isn't the picture great" , but have the aspect ratio all wrong... I just nod and smile.
Hamsta
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29 Mar 2011 4:25am
Mark _australia said...

lotofwind said...

Mark _australia said...

For 2 hrs a day on average (actually that is about max) I don't see why I'd ahve a flash new thing for $2K plus
Got a 90cm old school tube TV I bought for $40 and in it's day 10 years ago it was about $3K. Also got a68cm old school that was about $800 8 yrs ago... good enough!

Unless you are one of the AV gurus where watching movies in cinema quality or better is your hobby I really don't see the point.
Gotta laugh at all those who spend $10K plus on 'home cinema" to keep up with the Joneses and then they bung it in a room that is close to cube shaped and thus has rubbish accoustics.

Spend the difference on wind sports equipment




Far enough,,,,but
I saw your tv the other day.

Seriously mark,stop being so tight,,,live a little.Take your transister radio and tv with legs to the dump, spend $400 on a new tv,,you'll never look back.
You can still plug your VCR into a LCD, so you can still watch windsurfing videosLOL


Grow up and leave the "old" jokes alone

My point (with no trolling response required, thanks) is who spends $2000 on a set of tyres for their car that may save their life?
Who spends $2000 on a decent bed to help thir back when it is prone to injury in sports such as ours?
Who spends $2000 extra on their health, retirement fund or giving to the poor?

Some of us do ....... but 3/4 of the middle class population throw away a perfectly good TV to keep up with the Jones'. Probably the same crew who moan about global warming and mining companies and wasteful moder society cos that is trendy discussion amongst the chardonnay set too

My mate to is an audiophile / AV-phile (if that's a word) and spent a fortune on his gear but that is a hobby. Just like we spend a lot on our hobbies

But I estimate over half of $3K "flat screen gee whizz TV" owners could not tell the difference between their telly and a big version of an old CRT screen. They really don't need one cos it is not their hobby, it is just keeping up with the Jones'

If realising that it is a waste of money spending a sh!tload of money on something I rarely use, then yep, I'm dumb.

Or did I upset you as you suddenly just realised your 'home theatre room' is actually near enough a cube and therefore accoustically useless ....... and it is the 1980's "games room" or 1990's "Parents retreat" re-named by savvy building companies


To add to this, what is really worth watching on TV? Have not owned a 'TV' for 5 years, I simply have a HD TV tuner card in my laptop. Anything that I may want to watch on TV I can record and watch when convenient.
The quality of the 'news' is ****e, advertising is annoying and the Internet has an abundance of reputable sources for soft copy news. I don't get excited by AFL or cricket etc. Plus, laptop is portable and can be moved to suit.



AUS02
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29 Mar 2011 8:09am
Our old TV stopped working around 12 months ago so we went and got a 40cm Samsung LED LCD TV and it is fantastic. Not huge (fits in same cabinet as old TV), but the picture quality is unbelievable - could not be happier. Don't watch a lot of TV, but nice to enjoy it when we do!
OceanBlue64
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29 Mar 2011 8:30am
Mobydisc said...

Yeah the anti plasma group have spoken. The fact is the main reason why we buy a TV is to watch it. If we can get a decent picture then that is the go. In my experience there is no LCD or LED TV that produces a picture that is comparable to a CRT or plasma TV. The fact a LCD or LED TV needs to be backlit to produce a picture means the picture will never be totally black.



The new led lcd tv's vary the backlighting so that on a black or dark image, the backlight is reduced. The blacks on the latest generation led lcds are very good. When we have new plasmas and lcd side by side, set up with the same signal etc, there is very little difference in the actual colours. Contrast and other settings are a whole different story.
Plus I am not sure why anyone would want a 'new' tv to emulate old crt technology. The newer sets (plasma and lcd) have better colours, higher contrast etc than most crt sets.
OceanBlue64
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29 Mar 2011 8:32am
AUS02 said...

Our old TV stopped working around 12 months ago so we went and got a 40cm Samsung LED LCD TV and it is fantastic. Not huge (fits in same cabinet as old TV), but the picture quality is unbelievable - could not be happier. Don't watch a lot of TV, but nice to enjoy it when we do!


The new Samsung lcds are one of my favs. They are just over a cm thick and can be hung on the wall like a picture.
chrispychru
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29 Mar 2011 7:38am
porn is much better on a 60 inch screen,only if i could harness my wrist power to pay for it
Mark _australia
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29 Mar 2011 8:38am
chrispychru said...

porn is much better on a 60 inch screen


don't you think the 30 inch penis looks a bit unrealistic?
grumplestiltskin
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29 Mar 2011 9:38am
Mark _australia said...

chrispychru said...

porn is much better on a 60 inch screen


don't you think the 30 inch penis looks a bit unrealistic?


Sorry???, what are you trying to say Mark?
I thought that was normal!!!
GalahOnTheBay
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29 Mar 2011 2:06pm
Mark _australia said...

chrispychru said...

porn is much better on a 60 inch screen

don't you think the 30 inch penis looks a bit unrealistic?


Depends how close you are sitting to the screen I guess...
Gorgo
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29 Mar 2011 2:24pm
Everybody I know who has bought a new TV are amazed at the picture quality of the new LED TVs. Plasma might be better but who cares. I like "good". I don't need "best".

I bought a modestly large LED TV because we did not want our living room to be dominated by a giant TV. If I was buying again I would go considerably larger. The flat screen doesn't take up much space and the viewing experience is far superior to the big old tube or projection TVs. Watching movies at home is far better than going to some sh.it-hole cinema complex.

My old TV was 15 years old and on the way out. It cost $2000 when new. The new TV was $1295.

Years ago (6-7-8?) we got a digital video recorder (PVR). We haven't watched real time TV since we got it. We just record everything we want to watch and watch it at our leisure, skipping over the ads and crap bits. We only watch the ABC and SBS. Mostly docos, comedy and music shows.

The only downside of the PVR is that we record a heap of stuff. All sorts of classic movies and maybe interesting documentaries and series and stuff. It sits there on the hard drive for months waiting to get watched.... until I sneakily delete it.

I looked after a friend's house and they had internet TV. In theory you could search through the library and download any movie you ever wanted to see for later viewing. In fact the library only had crap movies.

The most recent addition to our entertainment system is I have put my entire music collection on a Macbook Air. (an ipad would do just as well). I plug it into the sound system and we have 4000 hours of music going on shuffle play. I can also plug it into the TV and watch video podcasts. As a result the TV is usually turned off after watching the news (pre-recorded of course).
Little Jon
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29 Mar 2011 2:24pm
AUS02 said...

Our old TV stopped working around 12 months ago so we went and got a 40cm Samsung LED LCD TV and it is fantastic. Not huge (fits in same cabinet as old TV), but the picture quality is unbelievable - could not be happier. Don't watch a lot of TV, but nice to enjoy it when we do!


40cm!! my phonehas a bigger screen...well nearly. I have a 51cm TV as the 68cm died. I can barely see it as it so small, have to sit no more than 2 metres away. I'm hoping to get a 140cm plasma instead of lcd mainly because of the motion is better. It seems that every week the price comes down another $100. Has anyone bought a tv from 2nds world, seems they have cheap gear but some is ex demo so it probably been on 12 hrs/day for the last 6 months?
Little Jon
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29 Mar 2011 2:37pm
nebbian said...

I find it extremely funny seeing friends with a massive tv, who say "Isn't the picture great" , but have the aspect ratio all wrong... I just nod and smile.


Yeah I've noticed that, can it be fixed and is it just the older sets
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