OZONE CATALYST seems gutless

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flipper231BA
flipper231BA
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4 Apr 2012 10:15am
Hello folks,

I own 2 Ozone catalysts a 12m for the 13-18 windrange with lulls near 10 and gusts close to 25. An 8m for 25+ knots but it holds up in 15 knots and stays tame at 33knots. so the 8m is no problem. I feel I could get much more from my 12m than I do. I feel it is a tad gutless in less than 15 knots, no power whatsoever. I used to own a North Fuse (2010) that would keep pulling in the 10-12 knot range (although at its lower range).

I am starting to wonder if I should not bring the back lines in. Is there more to it than just changing the bar pressure and turning speed. And what about flying it with the shortest backlines setting in 80% of the time and make them longer only in higher winds. I keep reading everywhere that this kite has good low-end grunt...I don't think it is grunty at all and when flying at the edge of the window it barely pulls me around... Anyhow, there are not many tuning options and I feel I have a potential one kite quiver in my hands (12 to 26-27 knots) at 85kgs. I am just freeriding, don't need huge boosting but something to learn jumping on, I like the good drift for ski slalom towards the kite in the winter. Liek I could switch to toeside quite easily with the Fuse but the Cat seems to just die as soon as I switch.

Cheers
doggie
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Mark _australia
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4 Apr 2012 11:18am
Yeah I would.
Macroscien
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4 Apr 2012 1:53pm
I am not an expert on kitesurfing but if you could take backpack filled with 30-50 kg weight of sand it should help to handle stronger winds in my opinion

or look into SCUBA DIVE section - they may have lead belts- with additional safety future such fast release when wind die.
kiteboy dave
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4 Apr 2012 1:59pm
At 85kgs in a 10kt lull you aint going far anywhere with a 12m regardless of brand.

I weight 90kgs and I use my 17m for the windrange you are using your 12m.

I have Edge & zephyr and they both have back line adjusters at bar end. If you have them don't be afraid to use them, that's what they're there for. If it's really light, pull them in full, and full depower (let it out to stopper) on the cleat. You can always add a bit of depower back on the cleat if it's backstalling.
flipper231BA
flipper231BA
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4 Apr 2012 12:06pm
@kiteboy..Switched the thread to the KB forum...I hear ya...I have an edge 15m for the light stuff gets me going going good in 7-10 knots with a huge TT... My problem is 10 to 25 knots with an average around 15...good for a 12m but the lulls are killers and the 15 is not going out in gusts to 25...I should practice my golfing a bit and keep kitesurfing for the good days...Or put back together a windsurfing racing setup...
pweedas
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4 Apr 2012 12:22pm
Transferred to another forum??
Who cares?
We haven't finished with our advice yet.

The best thing would be to gather it all up in the back yard,
buy a few drinks and sausages,
invite your friends around,
light up the barbeque,
and burn the lot.

I'm pretty sure that woud be an improvement.

Oh and I almost forgot.
Take lots of photos and post the best ones on the "The Funny images thread"
GreenPat
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4 Apr 2012 2:31pm
I could have actually moved it if you wanted, but since you've branched the spacetime continuum and I haven't got enough jiggawatts for the flux capacitor, I'll just leave it here until lightning strikes town hall.
lotofwind
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4 Apr 2012 3:33pm
Does that mean we can make mum jokes.
doggie
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4 Apr 2012 1:48pm
lotofwind said...

Does that mean we can make mum jokes.


Yep
dusta
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4 Apr 2012 3:39pm
lotofwind said...

Does that mean we can make mum jokes.


+1
GreenPat
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4 Apr 2012 6:21pm
Mr. Fusion powers the flux capacitor, but the delete button still runs on standard gasoline.
lotofwind
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4 Apr 2012 6:27pm
Well GreenPats mum is soooo,,,ummm,,errrr,,,soooo,,,,ummmm,,so,,errr
lovely



doggie
doggie
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4 Apr 2012 4:35pm
GreenPat said...

Mr. Fusion powers the flux capacitor, but the delete button still runs on standard gasoline.


92 or 98, for a performace car I would run 98, like my m............
pweedas
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4 Apr 2012 4:40pm
Apparently there's a hole in the Ozone layer.
That would definitely affect the handling.
Carantoc
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4 Apr 2012 5:07pm
OZONE CATALYST seems gutless

Yep, I know what you mean, totally gutless.


I'd suggest you get some guts and go windsurfing
Macroscien
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4 Apr 2012 7:54pm
Did you tried to tie strings of your gutless 12m thing with strings of 8m one ?
IMO if your run this two at same time you should have more bang from this two gutless creatures.
or should be very easy for you to change direction if you pull strings of one kite then on another running in opposite direction.
I am not expert on kitesurfing .. how you could you call such maneuver pulling a gybe?

actually I really enjoy that opportunity we could help a bit kitesurfers if they ask us for advice
lotofwind
lotofwind
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4 Apr 2012 8:26pm
^^^^
Now say that in english.
Sorry if english is not your first spoken language , or you âre drunk
bobajob
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4 Apr 2012 8:39pm
Macroscien said...

Did you tried to tie strings of your gutless 12m thing with strings of 8m one ?
IMO if your run this two at same time you should have more bang from this two gutless creatures.
or should be very easy for you to change direction if you pull strings of one kite then on another running in opposite direction.
I am not expert on kitesurfing .. how you could you call such maneuver pulling a gybe?

actually I really enjoy that opportunity we could help a bit kitesurfers if they ask us for advice


Ahh, I git et......now I've haa ad a bittle of jdJack
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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4 Apr 2012 6:41pm
OMG what should I do?

I just found a KITE hidden in my girlfriends panties drawer. Well, she is not my girlfriend yet, but any day now.
This is way worse than a couple of disco bikkies.

Anyway what should I do?
Carantoc
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4 Apr 2012 6:49pm
Mark _australia said...

OMG what should I do?

I just found a KITE hidden in my girlfriends panties drawer. Well, she is not my girlfriend yet, but any day now.
This is way worse than a couple of disco bikkies.

Anyway what should I do?


Run, and run fast.

If your prospective girlfriend's panties are the size of a kite, then run. She won't catch you.
Macroscien
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4 Apr 2012 8:50pm
Mark _australia said...

OMG what should I do?

I just found a KITE hidden in my girlfriends panties drawer. Well, she is not my girlfriend yet, but any day now.
This is way worse than a couple of disco bikkies.

Anyway what should I do?

funny that you have been invading your girlfriend panties drawer
Did you found anything interesting? in your size and color
oooo sorry you are not a kiter and don't need to wear one over when sailing
FlySurfer
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4 Apr 2012 8:51pm
flipper231BA said...

Hello folks,

I own 2 Ozone catalysts a 12m for the 13-18 windrange with lulls near 10 and gusts close to 25. An 8m for 25+ knots but it holds up in 15 knots and stays tame at 33knots. so the 8m is no problem. I feel I could get much more from my 12m than I do. I feel it is a tad gutless in less than 15 knots, no power whatsoever. I used to own a North Fuse (2010) that would keep pulling in the 10-12 knot range (although at its lower range).

I am starting to wonder if I should not bring the back lines in. Is there more to it than just changing the bar pressure and turning speed. And what about flying it with the shortest backlines setting in 80% of the time and make them longer only in higher winds. I keep reading everywhere that this kite has good low-end grunt...I don't think it is grunty at all and when flying at the edge of the window it barely pulls me around... Anyhow, there are not many tuning options and I feel I have a potential one kite quiver in my hands (12 to 26-27 knots) at 85kgs. I am just freeriding, don't need huge boosting but something to learn jumping on, I like the good drift for ski slalom towards the kite in the winter. Liek I could switch to toeside quite easily with the Fuse but the Cat seems to just die as soon as I switch.

Cheers


Yup gutless, but I think its got a bladder somewhere.
djdojo
djdojo
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4 Apr 2012 8:57pm
From what you've said there are two factors:

1. You could probably run your rear lines on the shorter knot.

2. The Catalyst is not intended to have pull-the-bar grunt like your fuse did (yes I have ridden the 2010 fuse so I know the feel). The Catalyst requires, and will reward, a lighter touch on the bar and more delicate edging rather than sheeting input. All of this will make you a better kiter - more attuned to kite and board - and you'll find you can position the kite more precisely in the window which will help as you progress to powered tricks.
Macroscien
Macroscien
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4 Apr 2012 9:12pm
djdojo said...
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1. You ... run your rear .... on the shorter knot..... pull-the-bar grunt like your fuse did.... (yes I have ridden .... fuse so I know the feel). The .... will reward, a lighter touch on the bar and more delicate edging...... sheeting input. All of this will make you a better kiter - more attuned.... position ....in the window which will help as you progress....



isn't all this terrible painfull
eppo
eppo
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4 Apr 2012 7:25pm
Carantoc said...

OZONE CATALYST seems gutless

Yep, I know what you mean, totally gutless.


I'd suggest you get some guts and go windsurfing









Yeh and go up and back, up and back, up and back, up and back, up and back, up and back...honestly the question is why?
Subsonic
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4 Apr 2012 8:47pm
jeez, the poor lad's been getting flamed all day
flipper231BA
flipper231BA
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4 Apr 2012 8:55pm
Gênez you should all go to jail for trying to choke me with my breakfast...i do have a sailboard, just have to dig it out of the shed...way too funny, keep them coming...Australian Windsurfers seem to spend as much time waiting for wind as their canadian counterpart...but all this experience in laying down your prose really paid off...
Cheers...All very funny. I hit OZ every 4-5 years, can't wait to run into some of you... Anyone in the DeeWhy area?
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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4 Apr 2012 10:48pm
This was way more fun when it was in the wrong area, now he is getting serious, meaningful advice.
Down with mods.


pweedas
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4 Apr 2012 10:52pm
OK, Seriously now,
I think the answer is 42.

Ummm,. what was the question?
flipper231BA
flipper231BA
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5 Apr 2012 2:00am
Subsonic said...

jeez, the poor lad's been getting flamed all day


Not quite I was sleeping as you guys were writing and I had the funniest breakfast reading all this...But yes it was better when it was misplaced. I think I will start a new one, just to keep you guys busy as you wait for the wind to get over that 15knot barrier. Still havent't found my RRD freemove...I may have lost it...
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